Fulda Gate

[SnakThree]

Planet Sprague lanes are entirely up to story devs. We have neither stalled it nor hasted it. But people like you being ignorant and trying to slander people is normal these days it seems.

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[Commander Crucible]

Planet Sprague lanes are entirely up to story devs. We have neither stalled it nor hasted it. But people like you being ignorant and trying to slander people is normal these days it seems.

Again, not trying to be condescending and I urge you to choose your next set of words carefully. Ignorant I may be, I see what I observe on the forums and I talk to the good people of this mod and I’m speaking about an “Ageira” event from over two years ago so perhaps I would Choose to go by the “seeing is believeing” clause here as before I left, I’ve seen Ageira tagged ships all over the planet sprague lanes and now after returning, they remain the same husks. Don’t blame the story devs for this. I’m confident that the Rp wasn’t completed for some god forsaken reason. Clearly Rp primarily controls the flow of story events seeing the Fulda event play out so if anything, you just slandered the devs for no fault of theirs.

Secondly, I don’t slander people and more importantly, I don’t gain anything out of slandering a person such as yourself.

That being aside, you still haven’t understood the matter at hand clearly.
I’ve read both the bretonian and Rheinland communication pages and honestly, your demands are as good as a pirate demanding 25 million from an empty Shetland at best.
I honestly don’t think any house government in their right minds will cave into your demands snak.

Take some time to rethink your demand, perhaps make it more reasonable and please help the story continue beyond your rather surreptitious attitude towards the current canon of this mod.

Oorply, you are causing a major inconvenience to a large majority of players and effectively shutting down the Rheinland-GMG war which is something I and my associates were personally looking forward too.

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[SnakThree]

Do you realize that I am Ageira leader, on and off for a few years now, and have been in contact with story devs regarding Sprague and many more projects?

What you fail to realize is that we are not demanding anything from Bretonia in exchange for "finishing" the lanes. We made a comm to simply inform about current situation and then made a polite request. I am not sure what kind of event are you talking about.

Also, what war am I shutting of, if current GMG faction is refusing to participate in it by completely ignoring it? You are trying to put blame on me where I am the least involved for a second time now.

I can accept feedback for Fulda/Jump Gate issue but I have Big Three to push forward and that is up to Rheinland to accept or not. If you suddenly ban two partners of Ageira from shipping Parts, you can be sure there will be some friction. Or am I supposed to drop 700 years of canon partnership out of the window?

Seriously, your ignorance is causing you some grief it seems.

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[Thyrzul]

I can accept feedback for Fulda/Jump Gate issue but I have Big Three to push forward and that is up to Rheinland to accept or not. If you suddenly ban two partners of Ageira from shipping Parts, you can be sure there will be some friction. Or am I supposed to drop 700 years of canon partnership out of the window?

Is it too much what Rheinland asks in return? Fairness, that Rheinland corporations are equally involved in the transportation of components as Liberty corporations besides Ageira?

You asked for official permission to confiscate Trade Lane, Jump Gate and Docking Ring critical components on the basis that they are Ageira's proprietary technology and you need to ensure they remain in permitted hands so that you can safely supply said components to repair the Gate at Fulda. The request was denied, but I guess it's just logical a house government won't just allow a foreign corporation to play vigilante in their own house. Ageira isn't the only one though, equally all corporations are forbidden to play vigilante, enforcing laws is the job of the police. Understandably you didn't like that, but your following request was more reasonable while still aiming for the same result.

So you asked for transportation restriction by law because you feared your precious technology ends up in the wrong hands without official protection. Alright, you got what you asked for, through means ensuring equality. Corporations were equally unrestricted before the law change, now they are equally restricted, with the exception of Ageira of course, the sole owner of those critical components. You didn't like that.

Thus you ask for, wait, no, at this point you demand transportation permission for two other Libertonian corporations simply because of "Big Three" and "one for all" and "700 years of tradition" and anything else remotely related to sticking to the past, the vanilla lore, etc. Alright, you can have what you ask for, through means ensuring equality. Corporations of both houses besides Ageira are equally restricted now, but you can have them equally unrestricted in order to help with Ageira's logistical incapabilities. You don't like that either.

So far you've shown complete unwillingness to compromise and cooperation towards anything resembling an equal agreement between Ageira Innovations - and by extension Liberty, since you are trying to lobby for other Libertonian corporations - and Rheinland, going as far as to outright deny Trade Lane, Jump Gate or Docking Ring components towards Rheinland.

The main reason I've always been against Ageira's monopoly over FTL highway infrastructure technology within four houses, one domestic, three foreign, is the potential of unparalleled economic pressure Liberty could apply to any other house in order to have what they want. For quite long my concerns were mostly unfounded due to lack of precedent in Discovery's history, and yet here you are providing a case strongly supporting all these concerns all the way down to the smallest detail.

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[JorgeRyan]

Sneks playing a hardcase but i dont think they're being unreasonable, yet.

[SnakThree]

Life is not fair and not everyone is made equally. For once corporation is leveraging something to get what it wants yes not more than it coild do already and the pitchforks are being raised by angry mob. Ageira isn't nice corporation. No corporation should be nice. Welcome to the real deal. Monopoly is there to be profitable and abused when it fits the owners. The fact that this is being discussed and ooRP pressure put to influence roleplay is a disgrace to what roleplay stands for.

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[DarkTails]

That's the entire point of having a monopoly, Thyr, so they can use the advantage to fit their means, it's not supposed to provide equality. Does it suck? Sure, but that's how it goes, begin researching rheinland own ways of working on gates, rings, and such. Until then, you kinda have to accept Ageira control over their product.

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[Thyrzul]

This excuse of "this is just the RP of Ageira, being the bad, greedy corp they are" would have been more plausible before you oh so adamantly trying to defend it on an ooRP level, repeatedly attempting to justify the alleged "fairness" from your side. You could have started with this in the OFL chat instead, but you haven't, you kept going on with defending your side. Not Ageira's, yours.

Now this just looks like a bad, cheap attempt of an excuse.

That's the entire point of having a monopoly, Thyr, so they can use the advantage to fit their means, it's not supposed to provide equality. Does it suck? Sure, but that's how it goes, begin researching rheinland own ways of working on gates, rings, and such. Until then, you kinda have to accept Ageira control over their product.

The problem with this level of exceptional influence over several other factions just leaves too much room for borderline powerplay, as the example shows.

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[SnakThree]

Anyways, I am done discussing this ooRPly. I will of course read and debunk any attempt to slander me for things that I am not involved in/with.

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[Commander Crucible]

Do you realize that I am Ageira leader, on and off for a few years now, and have been in contact with story devs regarding Sprague and many more projects?

What you fail to realize is that we are not demanding anything from Bretonia in exchange for "finishing" the lanes. We made a comm to simply inform about current situation and then made a polite request. I am not sure what kind of event are you talking about.

Also, what war am I shutting of, if current GMG faction is refusing to participate in it by completely ignoring it? You are trying to put blame on me where I am the least involved for a second time now.

I can accept feedback for Fulda/Jump Gate issue but I have Big Three to push forward and that is up to Rheinland to accept or not. If you suddenly ban two partners of Ageira from shipping Parts, you can be sure there will be some friction. Or am I supposed to drop 700 years of canon partnership out of the window?

Seriously, your ignorance is causing you some grief it seems.

I know exactly who you are, no need to remind me. Drop the ego and come down a peg or two.

Some people have informed me about your “polite” deal with the bretonian government where you tried to make an equally ridiculous deal quite similar to what’s happening with Rheinland. As I stated before, no house government in the right mind would ever submit to your ridiculous propositions.

Also please stick to one stance and stop changing your excuses, you went from “corporation equality” to “ lol, we es Corp, so deal with it”.

Current GMG not talking about it yet there is a whole damn event based on their faction. The wheels are already spinning and you’re hitting the brakes hard.
Regardless of what they like, this event has Happened which means they are obliged to participate. You are stopping said participation with this nonsense demand and essentially stalling plot progression so YES, I blame you.
This comes off as rather shady and most people would have already noticed this.

Your third paragraph highlights the beauty of your rather bipolar mindset.
You want Equality for your sister factions and at the same time, you claim to be the Electronic Arts of Discovery.
1) You should know the relationship between Rheinland and Liberty, You should know the Trust factor that plays here, You should know for a damn fact that they will not allow you monopoly over certain commodities and all your buddies to transport black market ammunition either.
2) So why make the deal eh? What’s your agenda? You thought you can get monopoly over all lanes in Sirius? As thyr pointed out, this is too much power for one faction and that can spill over to the Liberty Government. This is unacceptable.

To retort, your power mad mind is killing player action in the sigmas. Call me whatever you want, I don’t care but I do care for this mod so from one player to another, do the right thing already before someone does it for you.

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