So for understanding, the situation was this: Omega-7, you were an indie ALG transport who didn't type anything in the chat (according to the logs). The Nomad approached you and gave you two lines of RP and only Kruger reacted in any way to it, one by posting a basic RP line, the other accidentally posting ooRP in local (?). You probably had an armorless, freightershielded transport for ore trading? I guess that because you weren't on a Kruger| ship while being the current 1iC of Kruger| according to forum title. And the Nomad came and opened fire at you and then jumped out since nobody CD'd the Vagrant, a faction known for not having cloaks but having jump drives?
(05-28-2018, 06:49 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: So for understanding, the situation was this: Omega-7, you were an indie ALG transport who didn't type anything in the chat (according to the logs). The Nomad approached you and gave you two lines of RP and only Kruger reacted in any way to it, one by posting a basic RP line, the other accidentally posting ooRP in local (?). You probably had an armorless, freightershielded transport for ore trading? I guess that because you weren't on a Kruger| ship while being the current 1iC of Kruger| according to forum title. And the Nomad came and opened fire at you and then jumped out since nobody CD'd the Vagrant, a faction known for not having cloaks but having jump drives?
First I am 1IC of Kruger| didn't mean I am always on Kruger| , I gave my ship to other guy.
Now I was given 2 seconds to respond to that "RP" of your member. I don't think those are enough . He immediately opened fire on me so what was left for RP? Btw I got to know it take 46 seconds for a small nomad to kill a transport( I didn't use nanbots in state of shock). The transport is for supplying PoB and it's not a pure 5ker
You can ignore reality but you can not ignore consequences of ignoring reality
If he really didn't give you enough time, that is an actual reportable issue. Everything else doesn't matter as he seems to have given you more RP than you in return. Keep in mind nomads are evil and it is your fault for not having used a ship with the capabilities of defending itself - I know that feeling just perfectly well as Whale user. In such cases it's just bad luck and I try making my money somewhere else or wait for the guy to have logged out. I hope you understand that.
Thank you for telling us about your perspective of this.
(05-28-2018, 07:07 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: If he really didn't give you enough time, that is an actual reportable issue. Everything else doesn't matter as he seems to have given you more RP than you in return. Keep in mind nomads are evil and it is your fault for not having used a ship with the capabilities of defending itself - I know that feeling just perfectly well as Whale user. In such cases it's just bad luck and I try making my money somewhere else or wait for the guy to have logged out. I hope you understand that.
Thank you for telling us about your perspective of this.
If I thought of to reporting it. I wasn't going to point this out in your thread, you should let your members know 2 second is not enough time
You can ignore reality but you can not ignore consequences of ignoring reality
I reminded them, don't worry. Nevertheless, that is not a faction-sided issue but a problem of the player not having understood the rules of the game in general. You can either PM the person and tell them - some simply are new and don't know what the rules mean in the actual ingame gameplay - and if that doesn't do it, simply report them. I say that because I read the logs of what you PMed to the player instead. Edit: It was a Kruger guy who PMed him, nevermind.
They made contact with the Sirian Slomon K'Hara, though the time they had spent apart from each other had alienated them. While their Sirian counterparts had advanced quite a lot, those who had crossed the Hypergate's event horizon had remained almost the same as 23 years ago during the Nomad War.
At this point, knowing for sure that Vagrants have at least two Ish'Tars and few more Marduks in possession - how do you explain this if you are a 'Archaic Nomads back from the Nomad War'? I am seriously excited about this, and would like to have a little explaination - does it really worth it to break your own Lore to get the ships that are inRP considered as K'Hara elders?
Peace, being the distant dream it is, comes inevitably, and goes hand in hand with justice.
Cursed be the war.
Heya, thank you for your feedback. It is always nice to see that people actually read our writeup.
The Vagrants currently have two Ishtars and one Marduk, the Marduk being the ingame asset used for the Simurgh, which you can read about here, although I have not yet gotten the opportunity to really capitalize on still having an old Marduk.
The other comment of yours I believe I can break down to: Why do you have so many battleships if the Vagrants are supposed to be meek/archaic Nomads while the Ishtar is being roleplayed as a very old Nomad by the K'Hara?
The answer to this is twofold, and there is a practical argument and an inRP one.
Firstly, there currently is only one shipline for the Nomads. While it would be very cool if we could split them, I believe that as it is right now, we are forced to use the same ships.
Secondly, the Vagrants are not per se less capable than the K'Hara when it comes to producing new Nomad ships. The K'Hara only have more resources that they can funnel into that. Yes, you are right that the Vagrants, inRP, meaning not ingame, are supposed to be less adapted to fighting than the K'Hara. We can't really depict this difference ingame short of not giving our best in PvP, which would not be enjoyable to us. Keep in mind, though, that the faction exists for longer than a year now and that, realistically speaking, the Vagrants would not have stayed the same from then till now. They would have gotten stronger at least marginally. The way I intend the progression within the faction to work is that you start out by flying small ships and gradually earn the bigger ones, including the Ishtar, and this is merely a reflection of this growth as well.
tl;dr - There is no conflict between trying to be the 'archaic' Nomads from the Nomad War and having battleships. Not only was the Marduk a thing during the Nomad War, but the Ishtar is practically the only Nomad Battleship currently, and the Vagrants have had more than a year to look at the K'Hara and try to 'appropriate' their new ships through observation, as we have actually done here.
That being said, the Vagrants and K'Hara differ only 23/24 years. If you remember the hypergate scene from mission 13, you see not only small ships getting sucked into the hypergate but also Marduks (some of them even getting destroyed by that, by the looks). We've been there for as long as K'Hara, meaning we do have elder entities as well. They may or may not be in Sirius by now, even.
(06-12-2018, 07:06 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: That being said, the Vagrants and K'Hara differ only 23/24 years. If you remember the hypergate scene from mission 13, you see not only small ships getting sucked into the hypergate but also Marduks (some of them even getting destroyed by that, by the looks). We've been there for as long as K'Hara, meaning we do have elder entities as well. They may or may not be in Sirius by now, even.
Allow me to clarify: this is given not to oppose the sole fact that Vagrants have their Elder entities, but rather to question something else, to be precise - why the Vagrant Elder entities are presented as newer Nomad species like Ish'Tar and the evolved Marduks, if the Vagrants Lore states that they did never undergo the evolutions that K'Hara did in their retreat to further Omicrons?
Also, the time windows seem a little unjustified, since, considering K'Hara Lore - it took them 24 years to adapt, develop and implement new morphs. Even through i understand it is much more simple to work on something when you have a sample to analyze and work with right before your eyes, but, as i understand, K'Hara and Vagrants were barely sharing something with each other, and the entities of those branches ignoring each other in the majority.
Peace, being the distant dream it is, comes inevitably, and goes hand in hand with justice.
Cursed be the war.
You are right that there is a discrepancy between what we are trying to roleplay and what we can reasonably do ingame. If the old Marduk were still buyable, which is something I asked for in the past, we would have opted to use that to represent our elder Nomads. However, as it stands, the only battleships that are available are the Ishtar and the new Marduk. I can now chose between not allowing my members to use battleships at all (and they would still need to have earned it through our progression system to get to that point) or I can live with the fact that we currently cannot not to use the 'newer' Nomad ships with the upgraded models from a gameplay perspective. Yes, you are absolutely right that the justification we tried to come up with might be rather flimsy considering the Ishtar is the result of 20+ years of Nomad evolution in Sirius — although the Vagrants also weren't stagnant in their separation from Sirius — but it is the best inRP explanation we can give at the current time. I hope that a more satisfying solution can be found at some point, but for now, I hope this will at least answer your question.