(03-12-2019, 06:28 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: How is it any better to be kept in the dark until patch day when suddenly Bretonia has six Valors in orbit of New London and no chance was given for roleplay, events or activity to be done prior?
You forgot Southampton. And still people played the game, went on with the roleplay.
Just saying it, that's all.
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Can you really argue that a surprise (to the community at large at least) footnote to Southampton being destroyed, would be better than MRG creating roleplay to plan an attack on shipyard, before ultimately proceeding with an activity generating event where BAF could actually save it from being destroyed?
Can you really argue that Bretonia is happy that their shipyard was destroyed without roleplay and they didn't have any chance to counter or defend it?
It ain't about being happy, it's about recognizing the facts at hand.
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I don't know who writes the story line, and how he or she or they, decide the way the story goes, but i think that person or persons, should ask opinions to the community!!! Otherwise they would be doing a lot of inexplicable things, and many are things that almost players don't agree! I give the Gran Canaria invasion for an example, it looks like that even BAF players didn't wanted but even so, devs decided that yes! What some players say that we shoud go on but ... at least if the story is so modified without consent from all sides ... why not a least something to ... lets say ... the players understand and accept and continue! On the example i gave, and by the Zoner side, i asked a simple entry point, like there is one on Leeds ... on Kurile for Samura ... just a small "gift" for the Zoners could continue their resistance stories and accept the loss of the prime jewel and continue the story that was imposed on us!!! And we had nothing and ... nothing!!! Sincerelly i don't know how some people make this kind of decisions, this ones and many more without listening and understand the community, and want that we all to continue cheerfully playing this game, and don't notice that the number of players is going down, and even less RP something, even with low quality!!! More and more this is a pvp server than an rp!!
Sincerely i though the devs worked for the welfare of the community ... i was wrong!!!
(03-12-2019, 06:28 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: Counter-point: the Sigma war has been going on for that same amount of time, if not longer, and players are even less interested in it than they would be if they had a level of involvement or impact. You don't create an interesting narrative by just throwing artificial roleplay at them and expecting them to suit up in it. Let's be real, no one will be interested or care about the story if it's just forced changes that they don't have an interest or involvement in. It's just standard that people like to see the fruits of their labour.
Kusari requested a gate built.
Felipe requested his ships moved.
Check your facts before you post.
Link to the roleplay?
Granted, I don't think that alleviates from the fact that people are uninterested and demotivated in the war, nor that there's been a lack of focus on creating means for players to create a dynamic storyline with it, even if the war was initially forced. I just think there should be a point where people come halfway to collaborate, create and cultivate.
(03-12-2019, 07:33 PM)Kaze Wrote:
(03-12-2019, 06:28 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: Can you really argue that a surprise (to the community at large at least) footnote to Southampton being destroyed, would be better than MRG creating roleplay to plan an attack on shipyard, before ultimately proceeding with an activity generating event where BAF could actually save it from being destroyed?
Can you really argue that Bretonia is happy that their shipyard was destroyed without roleplay and they didn't have any chance to counter or defend it?
It ain't about being happy, it's about recognizing the facts at hand.
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Either you're dodging my question, or you think "being happy" in regards to roleplay, fun and activity, is bad?
I mean yeah, we can look at things objectively as they are now, but that's irrelevant in the context of this discussion. Think what could have been, and how much better that may have been for the mod as a whole, and why keeping that in mind may be wise for the future.
So many people in this thread seem to think that if they're leading a faction, they'd get to decide what happens to that faction, which is wrong for good reasons. Let's say storyline developers now have to consult player factions prior to making changes that affects them. Given nobody sees Discovery as their full time job, we'd end up in a big bureaucracy and story updates will come only once in a year. Also, I can already see every faction lead crying and screaming on the forum when they hear that the devs are planning to move/destroy/replace one of their factions assets. This isn't working, not in this community.
Kaze and I just managed to piss off each other on a similar topic of the same controversy. I can't help but feel that this entire stuff won't make anyone happy if both sides, faction leaders/players and story devs demand the extremes. The biggest problem is simply that people won't bother doing anything ingame anymore if forced nonsense like Canaria's take-over and the Norfolk taking Aland while Gallia is sieging New London for months are set in stone.
(03-12-2019, 07:27 PM)Durandal Wrote: Kusari requested a gate built.
Felipe requested his ships moved.
Check your facts before you post.
Link to the roleplay?
You just need check either RM or Bannorn threads latelly and you will see lot of RP about we reinforcing our fleets, sending officers to other locations and whatanot.
For god sake, ive even made and posted videos on a news "thing" about the advance in S-21 and Honshu.
But thats the issue it seems: apparently im supposed to send links of my RP to "all interested parties" cuz no one bother reading forums.
Tatics (in "our" space or naval warfare) are a chess game, now Kusari will try to react to RM movements, and im preparing next step to counter what i *think* may be their move.
Events stopped in Ku-Rhein war for multiple reasons, one of those is that ive been away last month, but im back now.
Another reason is that RM was waiting the fleet movement (for months) so we can RP our next steps.
It genuinely appears that most of the posters here don't have any idea as to how this internally works. The problem is that it's impossible to give examples as to how it does work without leaking, so, nyah.
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(03-12-2019, 08:42 PM)Lusitano Wrote: I don't know who writes the story line, and how he or she or they, decide the way the story goes, but i think that person or persons, should ask opinions to the community!!! Otherwise they would be doing a lot of inexplicable things, and many are things that almost players don't agree! I give the Gran Canaria invasion for an example, it looks like that even BAF players didn't wanted but even so, devs decided that yes! What some players say that we shoud go on but ... at least if the story is so modified without consent from all sides ... why not a least something to ... lets say ... the players understand and accept and continue! On the example i gave, and by the Zoner side, i asked a simple entry point, like there is one on Leeds ... on Kurile for Samura ... just a small "gift" for the Zoners could continue their resistance stories and accept the loss of the prime jewel and continue the story that was imposed on us!!! And we had nothing and ... nothing!!! Sincerelly i don't know how some people make this kind of decisions, this ones and many more without listening and understand the community, and want that we all to continue cheerfully playing this game, and don't notice that the number of players is going down, and even less RP something, even with low quality!!! More and more this is a pvp server than an rp!!
Sincerely i though the devs worked for the welfare of the community ... i was wrong!!!
But ok ... who cares right?
This! It's funny. I was told that I have an attitude when I voiced my opposition to this, even to the point of being told to take some time off if it bothered me that bad. Instead, I am now rebuilding because I know for fact that no matter how much resistance is offered in game play, it won't change the outcome.
I get it. Really I do. Bretonia is trying to survive but it's the way the story line went about it. Place a battle group in in 49 and expect compliance? Of course you're going to piss someone off. Maybe my failed summit didn't help but still, at least IMG got some sort of notice from Bretonia even if it was, "We need your base to survive." Everyone but the Zoners got some stake in the Sydney Accords.
So be it! Doc is rebuilding elsewhere. I find myself enjoying it, too.
Bretonia badgering DSE and Ageira to rustle up a Manchester->Newcastle gate on the double so they can make use of Scarborough and Newcastle as a whole. Alternatively, DSE and/or Ageira poking Bretonia to cut a lucrative contract deal for a new gate. Can just hook up to the locked Leeds gate in Newcastle and have it route to Manchester instead.
Then we could have a nice little "ship the gate parts" trade event for a few weeks and get a bunch of trader activity through Manchester and nearby systems, which should add some nuance to the usual military conflict there. Could even go so far as to make the event time-dependent. If the trade run isn't completed within a certain window, move Gallic forces into a more advantageous position in New London. If the event is finished on time or early, Bretonia and Liberty forces get a more advantageous position in New London.
Xoria might take issue with this as a permanent change, given the difference in pathfinding for trade routes through that area, but as a temporary measure it might be worth the bother.
A way a lone a last a loved a long the riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay,
brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.