Not everyone is happy, but all in all the changes made in this update were player driven. However for obvious reasons, stated by Wesker in particular, in-game player activity/pvp victories cannot dictate the outcome.
The situation with Omega 3, the outcome is likely the takeover of Aland, why? Because the story dictates Bretonia needs a Shipyard, and weighing all the options, Aland was the best solution. BAF was guided by devs, but BAF made the call. Updates will reflect what is the most logical outcome, regardless of player activity which of course can have illogical situations like IMG attacking New London/Cambridge, when they realistically stand no chance against Norfolk, especially now the Kessel was routed.
And what is more, Kessel's attack on the BPA base was entirely a player choice, 100%. Moving of the Norfolk was also a player choice. Guess what? Both choices were put together to make a result, that being the destruction of the BPA base, but also the Kessel being crippled and no longer able to contribute in the defense of Aland.
And you know, the above could have played out differently. The Hessians could have easily placed the Battleship elsewhere in Omega 3, sat it above the shipyard to make a stand, whatever. They could have even not moved the Battleship at all, lending only token support to IMG, that was entirely their choice. I'm not aware of the background/purpose of the Fes moving, but I have a very strong feeling this was done by Corsair player factions input/request. The patch notes say it is heading to Omega 49, but you know, the Corsairs can decide to take advantage of Hessian weakness and do something in Omega 47, or go finish off the Kessel in Omega 5, it is entirely their choice. I imagine the original intent, in the wake of the Omega 49 situation, was to fight back against Bretonia there using the Fes, but now the situation may be different.
Now (as of writing this post), we are dealing with the aftermath, and looking towards the next moves. Hessians are scrambling to repair their ship/get it out of danger. And who knows, maybe rival factions are now looking to finish it off? Maybe Brets will take revenge for the base, or Corsairs will swoop down on it? Maybe Core can do it for their benefactors in Omega (RM, or BAF for example), what happens next is entirely up to the player factions.
And instead of writing in this thread, you can take part in this new movement. And I disagree that "forced, predetermined RP" will hurt activity, the situation unfolding in Omega 3 has created a massive wave of activity, and it has been great fun. I would argue the opposite to the OP in saying that if the outcome was fully determined by ingame PVP events, we'd see a lot more stress, and in extreme cases, the side that isn't as good at pvp will not log on at all, in fear of hurting their RP. A strange thought.
I really could care less in regards to most stuff, even when it comes to randoms moving in our territory like the Fes warping from cambridge to Omega-47 on a moments notice "en route to 49". But I'm not going to lie when stuff like this hits, storyline becomes like picking the first button on a game of hardcore minesweeper. I'm prolly gonna be stressed out for the next few weeks.
Meh, I wouldn't have minded a player event for Gwent, I think it would be fair to have that and then a player event in defense of our (RHA) only cap asset represented :/
(03-12-2019, 08:42 PM)Lusitano Wrote: I don't know who writes the story line, and how he or she or they, decide the way the story goes, but i think that person or persons, should ask opinions to the community!!! Otherwise they would be doing a lot of inexplicable things, and many are things that almost players don't agree! I give the Gran Canaria invasion for an example, it looks like that even BAF players didn't wanted but even so, devs decided that yes! What some players say that we shoud go on but ... at least if the story is so modified without consent from all sides ... why not a least something to ... lets say ... the players understand and accept and continue! On the example i gave, and by the Zoner side, i asked a simple entry point, like there is one on Leeds ... on Kurile for Samura ... just a small "gift" for the Zoners could continue their resistance stories and accept the loss of the prime jewel and continue the story that was imposed on us!!! And we had nothing and ... nothing!!! Sincerelly i don't know how some people make this kind of decisions, this ones and many more without listening and understand the community, and want that we all to continue cheerfully playing this game, and don't notice that the number of players is going down, and even less RP something, even with low quality!!! More and more this is a pvp server than an rp!!
Sincerely i though the devs worked for the welfare of the community ... i was wrong!!!
But ok ... who cares right?
This! It's funny. I was told that I have an attitude when I voiced my opposition to this, even to the point of being told to take some time off if it bothered me that bad. Instead, I am now rebuilding because I know for fact that no matter how much resistance is offered in game play, it won't change the outcome.
I get it. Really I do. Bretonia is trying to survive but it's the way the story line went about it. Place a battle group in in 49 and expect compliance? Of course you're going to piss someone off. Maybe my failed summit didn't help but still, at least IMG got some sort of notice from Bretonia even if it was, "We need your base to survive." Everyone but the Zoners got some stake in the Sydney Accords.
So be it! Doc is rebuilding elsewhere. I find myself enjoying it, too.
hey, i also was very criticized for my opinion, not to say even insulted! I accepted the lost of GC, no matter how dumb things happened, and i will go to that piece of crap call Pygar. But why ... that is my biggest "problem", is that a RP server don't treat others at least equals? There were RP stories about the resistance on GC, no matter if they were good or not, idon't have problem to say mine is crap, but at least i confess and better crap than nothing! So if there are some will of doing something, while not a simple entry point like there is one on Leeds? Even Kurile has one for Samura, so WHY tehre is not for Zoners that could also be used by the Corsairs, to support their effors also on GC?!!
Unseelie i don't use discord so here me out ... if you and the others of your team ... by the way we appreciate the work ... but would be a good idea to "listen" what others think, and at least not be so partial. For the Zoners i just asked for a entry point ... how hard can it be?! Others have why not one on GC? We know that will not change anything ... one of the reaons of the lack of interest for many on Omega 49, was from the beginning it was told that no matter what happen, the result was already decided, so i think a small bonus for the effort of few is just ... equal oportunitties! That is what i have to say for me, but ... as you can see i'm not the only one thinking that many things are too unfair!!
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(03-13-2019, 11:14 AM)pulha Wrote: Well easy answer there, most of the community don't care about Zoners and Devs don't like them also, so there you go the reason why.
And there lies the problem. For a community that doesn't like Zoners I sure see a lot of those players making a Zoner trader to have more access to systems. There are a lot of things and people I don't like in the world but I'm not blinded my dislike to listen and treat them equally. Obviously, devs don't have the ability to do that. If one can't work without bias, that person needs to step down.
(03-13-2019, 11:14 AM)pulha Wrote: Well easy answer there, most of the community don't care about Zoners and Devs don't like them also, so there you go the reason why.
(03-13-2019, 02:48 PM)Doc Holliday Wrote: And there lies the problem. For a community that doesn't like Zoners I sure see a lot of those players making a Zoner trader to have more access to systems. There are a lot of things and people I don't like in the world but I'm not blinded my dislike to listen and treat them equally. Obviously, devs don't have the ability to do that. If one can't work without bias, that person needs to step down.
hmm, maybe less cry and more action? Work with devs instead of against em? *MAYBE* that may bring better results?
Isn any kind of secret i was against Sigma war, nor that i would love to had allied to Gallia and attack Lolberty instead, as Lib cap playerbase is (was?) way bigger than the non-existant Kusari one.
I strongly doubt that Bretonians like having Gallics knocking doors in London, but they working on other aspects to get things moving.
Zoners could do same. Or keep the forum circus and doing well, what you doing here.
But you cant expect different results when you just repeat same thing again and again.
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(03-13-2019, 04:15 PM)Felipe Wrote: hmm, maybe less cry and more action? Work with devs instead of against em? *MAYBE* that may bring better results?
And that, my friend, is exactly what I did. I moved on but it doesn't change my opinion. At least IMG got some sort of notice from the Brets in regards to Aland, In 49, a battle group was put into place with no knowledge. Funny thing is, if the crown had approached Zoner leadership about it, wanting more room for Bretonian citizens, I think you would have found a positive response. I know I would have. They did so with Port Jackson, why not with this situation? Just asking the question is all.
I mean, I will talk with someone on equal terms. I won't do it with a gun pressed to my head.
The Zoner player base is much better at making other players feel they need to make way for them than actually roleplaying hardcore diplomatic mindgames. I can count the number of times my Zoner characters have been threatened by other Zoners for breaking some lame perception of Zoner orthodoxy.
No-true-scottsman might as well be no-true-zoner. The biggest enemies of the Zoner community is the fractionalism within the Zoner community. It's a faction that praises diversity, but Zoners get reluctant when other Zoners portray their zoners differently.
To players who are not Zoners, it looks baffling and gives them few points for creative engagement. That is why Zoners are near-impossible to develop for. There is no consistent narrative over a number of months, and no one member of the Zoner community agrees with anybody else. Development is also done towards storypoints. You'd think Zoners would be constantly trying to move out into increasingly more dangerous and remote regions, but Zoners do absolutely anything but this.
This comes as someone who likes the majority of current zoner roleplay.
I'd love to see Zoners trying to move into Omicron Phi, with all the resulting horror that comes of that. Zoners should always be trying to push into the unoccupied outer reaches of space, not building megacities, colonising planets then running them like houses (Zoner planetary settlements should be small and politically unfocused, like Gran Canaria was), etc.
Zoners are not a house.
Holiday, you pretty much exemplify everything I like about Zoner Roleplay. Even you've got to admit that the Zoners are about as consistent as a bag of cats. This is partially by design.
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Quote:You'd think Zoners would be constantly trying to move out into increasingly more dangerous and remote regions, but Zoners do absolutely anything but this....
... Zoners should always be trying to push into the unoccupied outer reaches of space, not building megacities, colonising planets then running them like houses (Zoner planetary settlements should be small and politically unfocused, like Gran Canaria was), etc.
There i feel need to put my 2 cents - devs removed practically all grey zones in space, and continue remove it, justifing it as "MOAR INTERACTIONS" "LESS RESOURCE MOAR FIGHT". So there in really no place to where zoners could go. Phi? They would killed by Order first in this case, to prevent spreading of infected. Zoners and small factions have really small opportunities right now for any explorations. Flying every day in nom-space and voicing that you great explorer and limit breacher dont create sense.
I feel very sad about it. Space should be endless, big ocean of opportunities, not small-sized mudpit with dogs tearing their necks for small bone.
I hope much we will get more empty systems instead of this which gone. Just no need try to make them useful (this another trend which confuse me). Flowers in vase, or art on wall is not useful, they just fill the space, add more shades, make room brighter.
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Quote:Holiday, you pretty much exemplify everything I like about Zoner Roleplay. Even you've got to admit that the Zoners are about as consistent as a bag of cats. This is partially by design.
An issue that will never go away. You figure, each sect of Zoners has different issues and neighbors. TAZ has the Outcasts while Zoners in the Omicrons will have the Sairs and at times, the Core. Each RP HAS to be different.
Me personally? I don't have the mindset to play a criminal. I've tried it and it doesn't work. As a man who in RL is a soldier, I really don't want to RP one here although I could do a dynamite job of it. For the U.S. military, I am a mortician, the guy that you don't want to see on your front doorstep in wartime. That's where my heart comes from. Doc is very much a part of me. To know him is to know me....minus the shooting in which the truth will come out. In RL I do carry but I won't draw without a damned good reason.
OK...enough of my rant. I will continue RP as I always have. I love this place too much.
Developers, if ever you want some input, I would be glad to give you some....constructive, of course.