Nah, active playerbase have no overlap with RM) I mean, maybe year ago it could've been true, but like last half year RM playerbase busy with whatever, but not playing for UN.
(09-14-2019, 01:17 AM)Chuba Wrote: it seems incredibly lame for these two factions to have any sort of truce ever. they've always been enemies and it should stay that way. making more friends in a shooter game is pointless and awful
hey it was RHA that started playing with geoffrey enfield
this makes no sense, what does it matter if RHA does anything? UN still hates RM more than anything and teaming up with them makes about as much sense as corsairs teaming up with outcasts
(09-14-2019, 01:17 AM)Chuba Wrote: it seems incredibly lame for these two factions to have any sort of truce ever. they've always been enemies and it should stay that way. making more friends in a shooter game is pointless and awful
hey it was RHA that started playing with geoffrey enfield
this makes no sense, what does it matter if RHA does anything? UN still hates RM more than anything and teaming up with them makes about as much sense as corsairs teaming up with outcasts
(09-14-2019, 12:37 AM)Saronsen Wrote: they both have massive overlap in playerbase
Not true.
(09-14-2019, 08:37 AM)SnakThree Wrote: So like 75% of its active playerbase?
This is not true. UN's currently active members are in SCRA and BD. I have no RM ships.
(09-14-2019, 04:35 AM)Rogue Wrote:
(09-14-2019, 01:15 AM)Thunderer Wrote: The Hessians stabbed the UN in the back during an event and the UN were desperate enough to turn to the Federal Republic for help. The Federal Republic is playing divide and conquer.
Wasn't it the other way around?
The cannon story is that the Hessians and the Coalition shot the Unioners in the back due to a lack of will to share socialist sentiment with non-revolutionary organisations.
(09-14-2019, 07:42 AM)Anton Okunev Wrote: RM and UN have no overlap in playerbase tbh. There is no truce, just shooting commies for Rheinland together. All other time UN rather will run, because their agendas dont suppose shooting military, and military will shoot them cos they pirate traders.
This. The Unioners are Anticorporate unlawfuls, not antigovermental unlawfuls. Unioners will always prioritise piracy over every other objective. They will also pirate foreigners first, not for the same reasons as the Xenos, but because domestic corps are potential Unioners down the road.
(09-14-2019, 01:25 AM)Saronsen Wrote: the fact theyre cease-fired after the UN has yknow, bombed and gassed entire stations is pretty funny to me
This is true - this remains a defining part of UN's relations with ALG and BDM. That was 3 and a half real world years ago and a lot of RP development has happened since then, including the assassination of the Unioner who orchestrated that attack by the SCRA. The Unioners now are (by comparison to the 3 years ago Unioners) moderates.
There's a tonne of hostile and less hostile RP between UN and Rheinland lawful entities forumside, including with Kruger, Republican Shipping (our traditional house corporate nemesis), RM, and a whole bunch of other parties, that explain the relationship. It is not roses and tulips. This is not an alliance, this is a 'we shoot a common enemy in scenarios where both entities are present'.
This exists because the Hessians have lored themselves as a faction devoted to toppling a state, along with the underworld. Unioners consider themselves the defacto core Rheinland territories underworld and also have no interest in toppling the government as much as they want to change the economy. Will of the people matters to the Unioners. Obviously the military want to defend the goverment as well. Consider the USA supporting the Mujaheddin against the Soviets. Goverments in the real world will frequently fund the lesser of two evils, even if there is some element of danger in the long run. The military are providing no -material- support. No spacecraft, no credits. It's simply a reprioritisation of targets. Unioners still fight navy if the Navy forces us to engage them (trapping or intercepting us, or catching us breaking the law). But the Unioners prefer to run from engagements with the federals and focus on their real enemies; Sirius's largest corporations.
You see the same in Texas and Hudson; Unioners prefer to fight the corporations rather than the Navy. They can and will, but they are not target number one.
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's Shipping Unions, retired from a life of piracy.)
Quote:UN still hates RM more than anything and teaming up with them makes about as much sense as corsairs teaming up with outcasts
Hate why?
Quote:The Unioners are an outlaw group composed of dispossessed Rheinland shipyard workers who engage in brutal reprisals chiefly against Republican Shipping. Expansion into the Independent Worlds changed agenda of most Unioners from terrorism to piracy. Disappointed with results of their former alliance with the Corsairs and trying to maintain friendly relations with other unlawful groups of Rheinland, the Unioners are one of the pirate factions that did not choose any side in the war between the Outcasts and the Corsairs.
Vanilla infocard.
Quote:The Unioners are a terrorist group composed of dispossessed Rheinland shipyard workers who engage in brutal reprisals chiefly against Republican Shipping.
Hate RM? Why? For why?
Are you really dont understand, that UN unlaws who linked with shipyard workers and who more than other will benefit if RM will be full might and build 1000 of bricks every day.
Also - Outcasts Corsairs war stupidies plot of Disco. Never understood what indeed they try to compete, but whatever.
(09-14-2019, 10:24 AM)Anton Okunev Wrote: that UN unlaws who linked with shipyard workers and who more than other will benefit if RM will be full might and build 1000 of bricks every day.
This. The Unioners have 2 irreconcilable win conditions.
Quasi-lawful:
1) Influence victory; 'influence' (either legitimately or politically by coercion/threat + by seeing off their rivals) enough of the Rheinland economy that the Corporations accept and tolerate trade Unionism, taking a knock to their political influence in trade. In return the Unioners spend perhaps 50 years slowly decriminalising themselves.
True unlawful:
2) Subversion victory: The Unioners create syndicalist counter-economic pockets and anarchistic sub-societies secreted around Rheinland, magnifying their own prosperity to the point that they're a fact of life and permanently linked to the concept of Rheinland's labour advocacy, just as they were before the Von Rohe's day uprising, except with a bolstered presence in the fabric of the economy and societal lives for the Rheinland working class. This would effectively make Rheinland extremely resistant to Coalition sentiment (that the Unioners see as unabashed, anti-socialist totalitarianism), and Hessian idealism.
This requires dominating the underworld smuggling routes through Rheinland and piracy activities, so they're effectively controlling the markets from the shadows on the workers' behalf.
If the Unioners achieved either one of these two goals, their next targets would be set by the story team; It may involve sticking it to the Coalition, or going after big multinational corps like Synth and the GMG.
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's Shipping Unions, retired from a life of piracy.)