What is keeping you from playing?

[Uncle Bob]

being pirated for more then what my cargo is worth, by a miner that wanted to sell me ore and I refused
fun to come back to after being away for 3 to 4 years , catch you all again next time

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[SkyNet]

Despite the salt mine Disco is known for, i can't deny that Freelancer shaped my childhood and it still has a certain appeal to me. I still have a passion for old games and believe the age of a game is irrelevant as long as it successfully maintains the fun-factor. And for me, most fun events here were the massive battles in Texas, the joint omicron expeditions with KNF/Core, and in general RPing secret agency warcrimes. And that's kind of difficult to realise if there is no war at all. Sad because that's exactly what i'm looking for.

I have seen lots of people leave over grudges, I have completely stepped away from anything involving Rheinland again. I'm still the 1ic of my faction but I hardly do anything. A while ago, I figured maybe the region needed me to step back. I was being vilified over a lot of stuff in the region, but now that I've stepped back I've still seen nothing change in the area at all. Interest there is pretty much kaputt. But there is still hope for other regions.

People leaving over development-related issues is probably the thing that makes the least sense to me at all. [...] I can appreciate Freelancer no matter what state it's in, I played when heavy decision hit, I played when Justin was the lead developer, I played when the Admins and devs were at their most polar, and I'm playing now. I think if you really appreciate Freelancer, you can enjoy it regardless of where it is. You just need to play the game.

Just stepping away will not bring people back or change anything. Disco's decline began much earlier, most visible after the Rhein-Lib war ended. And no, you can't just play the game as if it were solitaire, because of the practice you need in handling your ships. I do not know what you are doing the whole day long, but i certainly do not have time nor mood to spend the 2 - 3 hours per day of my valuable freetime at conn just for training. This investment of time is best spent in RP anyway. Combat mechanics need to be simplified.

When you devote years of your real life time and effort to get good at certain mechanics of the game and then those mechanics are arbitrarily changed to suit a particular demographic of players it comes off as quite insulting. Made me feel like the people in charge of applying those decisions aren't actually interested in running a public server and would rather turn Discovery into their own little private club custom tailored to their own personal game style.

I guess people stop playing because they grow bored trying to kill invincible guys who just fly in circles.

The drama is past us, if everyone really left over Justin, then why aren't people coming back? [...]

So what is it? Why aren't people coming back?

How nice for you. At least one that may have settled with the past. I for my part, can not just return pretending nothing ever happened, because there's nothing left i could return to. You still have all your ships and your faction still exists. I, on the other hand, had to watch my friends tear each other apart and lost everything in the process. I lost the confidence into the staff at the point were they saw sh!t boiling but nobody of them cared about intervention when it was needed most.

What is keeping me from playing?

- The fact, that i was forced into an involuntary donation of my shared ships.
- The risk that such rogue actions could repeat anytime in future.
- The amount of work that would be necessary to re-earn all the credits i had, in order to restore my faction back to normal.
- The need of keeping my faction's activity up artificially at this low player count.
- Combat mechanics demanding me to spend more time in conn than elsewhere.
- All the people and most of the factions i used to RP with, are gone.
- Yet i don't see any goals for my chars. There's no war or anything interesting going on.
- Too many laws/rules/restrictions i have to pay attention to during gameplay.
- RimWorld...

[Czechmate]

I read that sanction and ban, it was brutal to lose all those ships, and for me to find out that the second you share anything in good will in faction discord you lose ownership of it unless you make public sharing file on forums.

I even saw your ownership spreadsheet that was ignored.


[RM] still kicking, we can sort you with shareds etc. any class you want for free. Alpha is the lead, there are some old school guys left and re-appearing, it was fun getting to know them. We'll do some projects including shady Sigma stuff. If you aren't bothered after that stuff that happened, I understand.

Edit: yeah it still damn scares me since I shared my main faction accounts in the past when taking breaks, and you can count on the finger of one hand the factions that have shared ships with who owns them stating they leased them on
forums. It just seems too tedious to setup and maintain.

[Sanctions]

There's nothing to do here, some things should be left in the past for good.

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[tCS]

[Altejago]

Wow, still argue about the same stuff.

This is why.

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[Groshyr]

Threads like this.

[SkyNet]

Wow, still argue about the same stuff.

You guys should have recognized the evidences on hand, to find a transitional solution for those whose ship lists were not based on forum posts (like in my example).

Instead you kicked me out of the boat, kept my coins and cut the dialog when it got tough. Is that your way to deal with unpleasant questions? God forbid, the infallible admins have spoken. You guys f_cked it up hard.
I don't care whos idea it was. I'm not here to blame anyone, because it won't help. I'm only here to see if this thread was meant serious and what kind of solutions are offered. Solutions that make spending my time here worth it and not like a giant hole in my pocket. Fine for me, if this wasn't the initial intension. But don't expect vets to return for mere hot air.

In that case, i wish you good luck at winning new members.

[Elune]

1)Malwarebytes made me appear as hacker,so i got sanctioned without will to even respond exept what i said in sanction thread.As i found making templates hard,hacking is kinna too much for me. So my ships are probably gone

2)People i used to hang out with dont probably play anymore

3)Drama in Rheinland tore 2017 Rheinland appart - Sabotage of house by players and staff that supported that

4)Being called Nazi for wanting to enbody IMPERIALISM (that is not nazism) into Imperial Rheinland who RPed democratic more then Federal..Which to me is completly out of role play for someone who wants to be identified as IMPERIAL

5)People who think are God's of RP that call others lolwuts.

6)Total missunderstanding of Outcast in general by players who play it. No mean to offend anyone ,this is topic i can go long way with arguments but since this thread is not about it i think i said enough.(no mean to insult anyones RP abilities).

7)Lack of time to get to know how to make nice templates and forum work to make a faction and attempt to change what i mentioned in 6) . Also in my time i found little inspiration in people to play outcasts in general

8)Irl + World of Warcraft

I was actually planing to submit a post on my sanction and try get unbanned since i am no hacker ,and return. Lets take these 8 reasons as what kept me from playing..I miss freelancer,flying my nomad ship ,sight of Omicrons.
Have a nice day I don't know why i did post here ,but now i answered this at least to myself ty to this thread.Hope everyone is fine and healthy.

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[Tomtomrawr]

People leaving over development-related issues is probably the thing that makes the least sense to me at all. It takes nothing to step back and be an average player, I'd argue it's more fun to be an average player. There are so many people that have complained about development in the game and then have rooted themselves in it fighting over change like it's the end of the world rather than just playing the game. I can appreciate Freelancer no matter what state it's in, I played when heavy decision hit, I played when Justin was the lead developer, I played when the Admins and devs were at their most polar, and I'm playing now. I think if you really appreciate Freelancer, you can enjoy it regardless of where it is. You just need to play the game.

Three reasons for me: PvP balance, inability to effectively play possible character types, and player hatred

1) It's very easy for you to say that it's fine to step back and be an average player when every snub balancing decision has benefitted jousting VHF combat style.

I do predominantly enjoy Disco for the RP side but I can't ignore I want PvP too. I was a SNAC bomber main and I loathed the change to SNAC to cut its damage to smaller ships to prevent the insta-kill. Anybody with half a brain could avoid it, but my playstyle was punishing the brainless and lining up the perfect surprise shield drop and SNAC shot. I lived for the one shot because it was hard, and I don't have the patience or skill for consistent gun hits in a joust, and it was a surprise to people. One of my best Disco memories is being ganked 7v1 and still getting a kill before they took me out. None of this felt unbalanced because there were plenty of ways for VHFs to easily take bombers out with patience and until they ran out of mines.

Then the SNAC distance change was brought in and that's when I stopped trying bombers and wrote half of my characters off. Good luck getting within 500m of a Solaris battleship or a turret-steering gunboat without insta-dying, let alone actually getting an accurate shot out.

Diversity has been slashed in the snub sector. You can't use missiles either because you have to choose between a missile and a CD. Mines have been fucked by the ammo reduction so that's goodbye to my Screamers. There is a definite meta in snub combat which makes it boring because I just wasn't being surprised anymore and I honestly couldn't compete with you. A third of my PvP encounters when I tried to come back involved you and you absolutely destroyed me every time. Why would I want to PvP when the only meta isn't a fun way of me playing the game.

I even tried to play a few days ago with a LF to try again, but that's where I found out about the thruster nerf on LFs. I loved flying a LF, getting in RP during a fight whilst I could dodge, but now a LF thruster runs out halfway through typing a sentence. Whilst, funnily enough, VHF thrusters weren't changed at all.

Compared to 4.85, every balancing change feels tailored to make jousting fighters lives easier because they don't have to worry about any other builds because other builds are so weak compared to them.

I have no interest in combat in anything above a snub.

So to summarise, I was great at a combat style that I enjoyed playing and it was taken away.


2) Lack of players compared to 2012. I've had some great RP in playing in 2020 and 21 but it's been few and far between. It isn't worth sitting on a lane as a pirate, smuggling is absolutely dead because it's high risk and lower reward to the safer route of trading mined goods (I still smuggle though for the fun RP it brings). Everyone I knew is gone and when I tried again it led to the third reason.


3) The amount of player hating I saw in Discord groups I joined disgusted me. Obviously something serious changed in this community between 2012 and 2020 because players stopped hating characters and started hating other players. I don't want to be in a community where players think of other players as threats and they worry about their Discord channels being compromised. I could easily have been in BAF and KNF in 2010 and nobody would've cared. Now if you were in Gallic Enclave and BAF you would've been kicked out of both as an accused spy.


Edit: I'd like to say that a reason I played for so long in 2020 was because of the events that were being run. They were amazing, I especially loved the unknown system that opened up for mining as I had a blast in my pirate bomber there. So a short positive to say that they worked brilliantly and I wish I checked here more often to see when they happened and try to join in.

Edit 2: 4th reason for not coming back: Gallia was a mistake. The Outcasts, Corsairs, or Coalition could've been brilliantly expanded and instead a bunch of systems were added that stretched the player base out too thin. Despite the great efforts to cut down the number of systems the map is too big compared to the player base now, so running into people is rare even in House capital systems (except NY ofc).

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[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[t0l]

im drowning help me wesker

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