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DSE|= · (This post was last modified: 12-11-2022, 12:30 AM by DSE|=.)

[quote="Groshyr" pid='2278242' dateline='1670711007']
I've read what you people wrote here and still don't understand the problem.

The fact you don't see the problem means you have a problem.

RP happened; owners were given about a week of time, plus extra hours while siege was going on, to contact Darius or anyone of BretGov, just come to BAF server and say, "guys please cease, I am busy, will reply to your RP as soon as you can".

Read the original BretGov posts. All it was asked for was to start repairing the PoB's. As it stands you had NO right within the Laws of Bretonia to attack. Not everyone reads every post. Witihin 8 hours they disappear off the latest activity column. Why are you so blatantly ignoring whatwe are saying about the Laws? Why?

This isn't something impossible, and you do not exist in vacuum - someone must've delivered you the message, moreover one of the POBs owners even stated she is leaving Disco to take care of her career and marriage, yet - y'all making drama of valid consequences for ignoring a communication from the Government of a house you built in.

Paddy handed over something meaningful, not only to her but to others. It has history, it has value and meaning - precious memories. Perhaps you need to consider these are important to many.

Your tamagotchi isn't something you cannot restore in a new shape. It isn't a real pet that died, and you sorrow for them. It's not a living being you cannot return, it's a bunch of code and pixels;

And there is your ignorance on full display. No wonder you have a problem on this matter because you cannot empathise nor understand what value these have to others.

Groshyr · 12-11-2022, 12:04 AM,

Good move with temp suspending further legal POB construction

TheDoctorXI · 12-11-2022, 12:05 AM,

I think feedback relating to the POB situation in Bretonia has run it's course, at this point.

Kindly move on, please.

"Better than the Starfliers since inception".

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Darius · (This post was last modified: 02-05-2023, 10:37 PM by Darius.)

Hello, Darius back around with some BIG changes that we need feedback on. As seen in the recent post by BretGov pertaining to the organization of a march system in the regions bordering the House space, we have begun a new experiment to see how well both lawful and PoB owner(s) players cope with such an approach to roleplay.

What does a march do?

Well, simply put, they govern the bordering territories. Each of the two existing ones will have a player volunteer that will act as the Lord Warden and thus represent Bretonia in the region. Essentially, it's a way for us to assert more influence over neighboring areas without directly coming into conflict with the other states.

In addition to this, the marches' primary goal is to act as "tax farms" for the govt, collecting funds for different projects in the future.

What is the role of the Lord Warden?

The Lord Warden, as stipulated above, is the governor of the march. He (or she) holds the title of marquess/marchioness respectively. inRP, this is a pretty prestigious position, coming with hefty benefits. Besides being the official representative of the Crown, the character will also receive a significant part of the funds collected. However, the responsibilities don't end there, as the Lord Warden also has the right to contact any corporation for the supply of bases within the march's territory. I have strongly encouraged the players to conduct shady business deals or inRP nepotism to better suit the characters and this'll remain the hullmark of these representatives.

Any feedback's greatly appreciated. And, for those interested in helping out, I am adding here too that the role of Warden for the Tau/Indep. Worlds march is still open for those interested. Contact me over Discord for more details.

DSE|= · (This post was last modified: 02-05-2023, 11:45 PM by DSE|=.)

What you are essentially doing is franchising Bretonia. You are simply authorising or granting an individual or group authorities enabling them to carry out specified activities. In this case granting them exclusive rights of certain systems and acting as an agent for a "company's product". This displaces the civil duties of Government such as the BPA) and puts civil authority at odds with the franchise holders. These franchisee "wardens" will be warlords.

On the plus side it would stop a lot of the war-whoring currently being done by BAF. The military is running Bretonia and forcing and coercing decisions of a militaristic nature. This is totally at odds with what is written in their Government's agreed charter but is currently what is taking place. On the negative side the warlords franchisees will make decisions with full immunity. Overruling the civil authorities (police, courts, rule of law) who have full authority over the behaviour of BAF in civil matters is dumb and stupid. Thats what has been happening with BArF of late and that is why bases are illegally being destroyed.

As a real life example you have Russia. A war-whoring dictatorship with vassal states, essentially run by war-lords forced by military means to adhere to the dictum of Putin.

Sniper · 02-06-2023, 05:51 AM,

This is really weird. What you are saying is every PoB has to pay 50million each month per license level. You want a core 1 POB to pay 1.8billion Credit each year for a level 3 licence? And what would this warden do if no one accepts his authority? And are you going to extend this to PoB's in NL? And which one of your cronies will you be making a warden or oligarch and is on the make? Corruption is very evident here.

I will put it to you that there is a malicious purpose behind this thing you propose. And it is not an RP one. This is foolishness as the real reason is to force players hands, harass players and forcing them to abandon their POB's or destroy them in a mockery of real RP if they don't comply. Seems that the agenda of certain players who are on record in wanting to rid DicoveryGC of POB's is in play.

It is not a good idea. It ruins the game play and is forced upon the players unfairly. The unfairness ferments and turns into a bitter poison.

Bretonia used to be an attractive house to RP in. Players wanted to be there. Now it is turning into a pigsty of an experience. Players are the pearls of the game and these pearls are being cast into the pigsty that is the current BAF/Bretonian leadership and they trample the pearls underfoot like the pigs they are.

Governments govern. This is being dictatorial and very unwise.

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Darius · 02-06-2023, 07:19 AM,

Nobody is forced to pay the monthly/quarterly fees. They apply only to bases which want to sign up in this programme and in return, as said in the document, they receive hefty benefits such as the level 3 license essentially giving the supply business to BretGov entirely.

In regards to the concerns about the marches' territory, these licenses will only apply to the systems mentioned in the document and nothing more.

Regarding governors, they are chosen from volunteers (two, to be exact) willing to put in the effort needed to govern their regions. ooRP, they'll be nice, roleplay-focused individuals who will be put under close restrictions so as to not have them break server rules but also given sufficient autonomy to roleplay their own fiefdom. inRP, yes, they'll be corrupt characters and almost always willing to bend the law to their benefit. This is a roleplay experiment that will test how well both us, BretGov members, and PoB owners, can adapt to such scenarios.

Sniper · 02-06-2023, 08:32 AM,

This is confusing. You may want to make it quite clear it is voluntary for POB owners to be involved. There is too much ambiguity.

Also you now mention a Governor as opposed to a Lord Warden in your last post. Is the Lord Warden the Governor?

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Karst · 02-06-2023, 08:35 AM,

I think the point of confusion is that as written, it sounds like an official law post with enforceable regulations, when actually, it's just an overambitious claim. That itself is fine of course, it's nothing if not natural for Houses (or anyone) to make overambitious claims they can't enforce.

But to be clear, Bretonia cannot enforce laws outside of Bretonia House Space and Dublin.
And houses cannot enforce laws except those written in the Laws of Sirius thread, which require a Player Request to change. Anything outside of that thread is just RP fluff.

Darius · 02-06-2023, 08:39 AM,

(02-06-2023, 08:32 AM)Sniper Wrote: This is confusing. You may want to make it quite clear it is voluntary for POB owners to be involved. There is too much ambiguity.

Also you now mention a Governor as opposed to a Lord Warden in your last post. Is the Lord Warden the Governor?

Governor = Lord Warden. As for the fact that it's vague, that's intended so this makes more sense. Karst explained it well enough.

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