Rule Inconsistencies?

[Tenacity]

So I was just looking at that sanctino report for Cerberos - Docking on crete with a BHG tag and mercenary ID.

Now... the server rules tell us that we MUST look at the ID before engaging anyone, anywhere. They tell us to ignore the tag and focus on the ID, because tags can be faulty due to the problems with 'fixing' rep.

So... why is it that someone gets sanctioned for a tag, rather than the ID they're using? I can understand taking it in RP context in-game, maybe the corsairs dont like him all that much, but technically if he's landing on crete he's probably working for the corsairs to begin with, and I dont see some divine being swooping down to save the corsairs from their own mercs all that logical.

So how 'bout it admins? Perhaps you should start checking for ID instead of tags?

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[Zelot]

Someone who is carrying a Bounty Hunter tag should not have the rep to be able to dock on Crete, or Malta for that matter.

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[Tenacity]

Someone who is carrying a Bounty Hunter tag should not have the rep to be able to dock on Crete, or Malta for that matter.

perhaps he was docking to take missions from the corsairs to fix the tag?

His ID was not that of a faction openly hostile to corsairs, meaning corsairs would not be able to openly attack him without reason - why are the admins allowed to sanction him for it?

I can see it being sanctionable if he was fixing his rep to trade or smuggle, but he's a mercenary - he was quite obviously there to take jobs.

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[Manni]

Well, i would first talk to this guy what the hell he's doing in Gamma.
A mercenary who is BHG tagged seems to work especially for the BHG, which are hostile to the corsairs.
If he would say me, that he's working on it, then it's fine.
But if he wouldn't work on it then i would stick him some torps in his butt and then report.

I don't like reporting without talking to people what they're doing wrong.

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[globalplayer-svk]

when i readed that santion, there is bh tag/id and ship, he answered that he has mercenary id. so in the end bh tag and bh ship. bounty hunter ship in omicron gamma is enough reason to kill the pilot... and especialy when he dock on crete. its the same as corsair tagged mercenary in titan docking on mannhatan...

and working on tag.
when you have civ ship and bh tag, then it is possible that you are working on rep. or some another combination. but mercenary in bounty hunter ship with bounty hunter tag is fixed combination of tag + ship + id, or no?
because working on rep, to gain corsair tag in bounty hunter ship is far away from roleplay ....
and that guy typed, that he decided to have bounty hunter tag. that mean-hostile to unlawfulls. perfect clean for me.

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[Zelot]

When we are talking about non-factional ID's, such as Merc, Trader, Pirate, Military, or Smuggler, I don't think it was anyones intention that we ignore the tag. With non-faction ID's the Tag becomes an indication of the leanings of the character. A smuggler ID with a Junkers tag is taken to be a Junker transport by me. Same with a Hogosha Tagged Smuggler. A Corsair tagged pirate ID'ed ship will be shot down just as quickly as one with a Corsair ID. A Samura Tagged, Trader ID'ed ship gets a free pass through Kusari by me, while a Trader with no-tag or a foreign tag does not. We should not ignore Tags, we need to look at the in the context of the ID.



Also, if the admins felt a sanction was in order, I trust them to make that decision, I am sure they felt it was necessary by the rules.



And NO WHERE in the rules does it say to ignore the tag, it actually tag and ID must match as closely as possible. These ID's and tag's can be matched up in RP, so a ship with that combination of Tag and ID would be OORP to dock at Crete.

6.2 Out of Roleplay (OORP):
In-game tag seen before the name must match the ID as closely as possible. It is not allowed to have the tag not match ID category. For example, it is prohibited to have 'Police' tag and 'Pirate' ID.

Equipment used must match tag and ID as closely as possible. For example, it is not allowed for Corsairs to use Outcast ships and guns.

Also, If I may make a suggestion about where to do missions while working to fix, or get a tag. It is not so smart to go to Manhattan, or Crete, or Malta, or NL, or NT, or such to work on it. It is much smarter, and will lead to many fewer issues if people working on rep use the outlying bases to do their rep work. Go to Battleship Fez, or Cali, or Hamburg, or Cambridge, or Hokkaido to do them. When you go to a house's Capital, you get a lot more attention then when you do it in an out of the way place.

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[Tenacity]

Yes, your tag must match your ID - that part of the rules is fine.

What i'm talking about is the rule that says players MUST use the target's equipped ID, rather than their tag, to identify them in-RP. It's tricky when you're referring to non-faction ID's as wel.

Now I admit, I must have blanked out the part about him being in a BHG ship, I only saw the BHGtag / merc ID when I read the thread - so maybe he deserved the sanction. Still, I think the ID should be taken into account.

who knows, maybe he was trying to up corsair rep so he could get a titan or praetorian and be a corsair-aligned merc, but couldnt do so until he was able to land on a corsair station or planet.

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[Zelot]

Yes, your tag must match your ID - that part of the rules is fine.

What I'm talking about is the rule that says players MUST use the target's equipped ID, rather than their tag, to identify them in-RP. It's tricky when you're referring to non-faction ID's as well.

Now I admit, I must have blanked out the part about him being in a BHG ship, I only saw the BHGtag / merc ID when I read the thread - so maybe he deserved the sanction. Still, I think the ID should be taken into account.

who knows, maybe he was trying to up corsair rep so he could get a titan or praetorian and be a corsair-aligned merc, but couldnt do so until he was able to land on a corsair station or planet.

First, the ID was taken into account. With the Non-Factional ID's you dont really have a whole lot to go on, so you then move to the next identifier, the Tag, if he had no tag, I would then go to the next identified, the ship, if the ship didnt tell me what I needed to know, I would move on the th equipment, if that didn't tell me, I may just ask. But all of those things should be looked at in a scaled order... ID, Tag, Ship, Equipment.



As for working on the Tag, I'll quote myself:

Also, If I may make a suggestion about where to do missions while working to fix, or get a tag. It is not so smart to go to Manhattan, or Crete, or Malta, or NL, or NT, or such to work on it. It is much smarter, and will lead to many fewer issues if people working on rep use the outlying bases to do their rep work. Go to Battleship Fez, or Cali, or Hamburg, or Cambridge, or Hokkaido to do them. When you go to a house's Capital, you get a lot more attention then when you do it in an out of the way place.

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[Reverend Del]

You'd be surprised at how much discussion goes into a sanction report, you've not raised anything we didn't. In the end a BHG tagged BHG ship docking on Crete isn't going to happen in RP. Or even if it managed to get past the docking ring they Corsairs down below would eat him alive.

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[Tenacity]

You'd be surprised at how much discussion goes into a sanction report, you've not raised anything we didn't. In the end a BHG tagged BHG ship docking on Crete isn't going to happen in RP. Or even if it managed to get past the docking ring they Corsairs down below would eat him alive.

corsairs arent cannibals anymore! :P

well... most of them at least.

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