(05-26-2024, 04:31 PM)Ravenna Nagash Wrote: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...pid2333697 - was actually looking forward to come and play Discovery since I haven't played or been in an event for a very long time. Apparently I can't unless I play as an indie, lolwut?
Public community event for all Corsairs - other Corsairs factions not allowed to join. Checked info page and roleplay out of basic curiosity - instant unfriendly with other Corsair factions with zero RP from the get-go.
In other words - another entirely ooRP motivated faction similar to AA, designed to gate-keep/troll. At least, there's a bit more meat on the framework this time. Still pretty much the absolute opposite of what's good for Discovery.
Greetings to the pilot,
Thank you for your feedback. I'm pretty sure there are quite a few other factions that had slight differences in their reputations by default, but I see your main issue here and I won't go into that. From our part I believe our info page clarifies it all, and the RP that followed supports it. Btw, we're also unfriendly with Zoners, in case you missed it.
Also, it was TBH and yourself who contacted us to begin with, and at the end I'm certain that our actions and replies were made pretty clear, all of them in a RP environment, without any ooRP agreements or coordination like TBH's initial message and your very shortly follow up. How does this come as a surprise?
It is for this reason that we overlooked to add this restriction to our event thread. We didn't expect any interest from DTR considering our RP adventures. As for the battleship slot, the initial Sair list of ships had Martillo del Sur and Noche Eterna listed as BS and BC, names that you can find in the event's info. While editing the list, they got changed/deleted by mistake, and we noticed the slot was indeed empty while checking your post. Might be hard to believe, but it is what it is.
I hope that clears things out. If not, we can debate in PMs.
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: I'm pretty sure there are quite a few other factions that had slight differences in their reputations by default, but I see your main issue here and I won't go into that.
That goes without saying, DTR itself has specific set of relations based on existing roleplay. What's in question here is the fact that you've listed the other two existing Corsair factions as unfriendly from the get-go without any established relations. Which is pretty clearly ooRP motivated. Everything about this faction and its inception is predicated on it (just like AA back in the day) looking at your stuff. You've just slapped a bit more paint on it.
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: Btw, we're also unfriendly with Zoners, in case you missed it.
So is DTR to any Zoner factions or individuals (Zoner or otherwise) that allied themselves with Core/OC during the Theta event and supported them. Zoner is a very big umbrella as you probably know.
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: Also, it was TBH and yourself who contacted us to begin with, and at the end I'm certain that our actions and replies were made pretty clear, all of them in a RP environment
Yeah, your replies seemed entirely ooRP driven to that RP as well. Especially given that DTR's initial response was simply to understand your faction's goal/motivations.
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: without any ooRP agreements or coordination like TBH's initial message and your very shortly follow up.
What are you insinuating with this statement? From DTR's perspective, we simply wanted to understand your faction's objective. You had every opportunity to share them or to share your issues, etc. I also don't mind hostilities by the way, whenever they are rooted in realism.
According to TBH and the old Sails which your group has apparently stolen the tags/name/identity from - both TBH and old Sails have an agreement with Samura. DTR can't confirm on the above simply because we weren't here when that deal was made between these three factions. Hence the initial response from our side to understand what each side's goal is.
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: considering our RP adventures.
What RP adventures? One RP thread that you didn't even bother to reply/conclude?
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: We didn't expect any interest from DTR
You didn't expect any interest from Corsairs to join an allegedly public Corsair event?
(05-26-2024, 06:36 PM)Black Sails Wrote: I hope that clears things out. If not, we can debate in PMs.
No need, I don't play the game actively anymore so I would rather not get into protracted debates. Was just interested to join a Corsair event after a long hiatus for some fun but it looks like ooRP shenanigans have expanded even to events now. Have a good day.
Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.
(05-26-2024, 09:07 PM)Ravenna Nagash Wrote: No need, I don't play the game actively anymore so I would rather not get into protracted debates. Was just interested to join a Corsair event after a long hiatus for some fun but it looks like ooRP shenanigans have expanded even to events now. Have a good day.
(05-26-2024, 05:10 PM)Couden Wrote: It's simple - Their event = their rules.
one of the shittiest takes I've ever seen on this forum
might doesn't makes right. just because it's their event, that doesn't gives them any moral basis to exclude anyone. Allowing indies but not official factions is honestly extremely retarded.
if you still agree with this, I'll lobby for you to be excluded from any community event from now on, and our bounty board. Hey, our rules.
I wanted to point out something about event rules that people may have missed after the rule update. The old faction right 3 (barring others from your events) is no longer in-play. The only relevant rule you may use to bar people from events is fr1, focusing on faction authority over players of the same affiliation. The way I read it, DTR or TBH may bar you (and other indies) from events sponsored by them, while you cannot without their buy-in.
Be that as it may, preventing people from registering can make sense based on prior rp. But these outcomes need to be made clear to anyone who is looking to register, for example via the event outline or link to a comms/story thread. If you've got a former* 1ic of the OF you barred disagreeing with you about the outcomes of this prior rp, it is not a good look.
(05-26-2024, 10:40 PM)Fab Wrote: if you still agree with this, I'll lobby for you to be excluded from any community event from now on, and our bounty board. Hey, our rules.
The only difference here is you cannot exclude someone with your ID from your Bounty Board (Same as shoot and claim your own IFF on bounty Board), yet your rule with allowance of apply a bounty if DTR member with you in same group was made because of me, mostly.
With lower player counts, excluding people just because they are of a certain subfaction seems unnecessary. People can rejoin under a different character, but why exclude them just because of a certain tag in their name? Especially when the event is against a common enemy, which both factions are actively fighting.
Maybe I missed some threads on the forums, are there further explanations of the rising tensions between the groups? I've seen one comm thread between TBH, DTR and Sails, and one Sails thread implying Molly and DTR relations through an independent PoB. I feel internal conflict between corsair could be interesting, with enough forum and ingame RP. Especially when operating in different systems, different ideologies may arise. This could be seen in the various Zoner factions. I hope all of this is in good spirit and not just to get back at people you don't like. Maybe an internal corsair event can clear out player tension and be a good foundation for RP conflict?
(05-27-2024, 12:42 PM)VaevictisAsmadi Wrote: With lower player counts, excluding people just because they are of a certain subfaction seems unnecessary. People can rejoin under a different character, but why exclude them just because of a certain tag in their name? Especially when the event is against a common enemy, which both factions are actively fighting.
Maybe I missed some threads on the forums, are there further explanations of the rising tensions between the groups? I've seen one comm thread between TBH, DTR and Sails, and one Sails thread implying Molly and DTR relations through an independent PoB. I feel internal conflict between corsair could be interesting, with enough forum and ingame RP. Especially when operating in different systems, different ideologies may arise. This could be seen in the various Zoner factions. I hope all of this is in good spirit and not just to get back at people you don't like. Maybe an internal corsair event can clear out player tension and be a good foundation for RP conflict?
I completely agree with what you said above. I, as the leader of Samura, realized right away that the Sails don't go much with the Corsairs procedure with Kusari and special with Samura. We had some encounters that at first weren't very good, however the last one was worth comparing with the first ones and really, in RP it can be very beneficial for all players. Each one has their own responsibility, as long as they have common sense to interpret.
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