' Wrote:EDIT: @Mjolner.. If this is about the Independent OC BSs, don't complain in here, its not the time or place for it.
No it's about the oh might 101st BSs. Being seen in NY a few times for last days, doing some "policy" against other outcasts (as I have heard). I thing that does need an explanation.
The second part those involved know off.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
People complain when ooRP OC caps attack Manhatten, then they complain when we go to enforce the 101st policy of no OC caps operating within 10k of any lawful base... The rate this is going, just take OC caps outof the mod, as no one is happy. Also, Skoko, the 101st shouldn't be the first wall of defense, rather the elite corps that go in, outnumbered 5-to-1 at least, managing to pull off a win. Sadly, the 101st skill level is... lacking. We got one great pilot (me) and a couple of good pilots, and that's it, sadly.
' Wrote:People complain when ooRP OC caps attack Manhatten, then they complain when we go to enforce the 101st policy of no OC caps operating within 10k of any lawful base... The rate this is going, just take OC caps outof the mod, as no one is happy.
Ahh.. so they are enforcing it by parking next to the lawful base themselves.. and killing the other outcasts... that sounds logical.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
Problem is in enforcing those things, really. Your authority about these things is in question.
How come that defenders of Malta go to New York with 2 expensive battleships killing their own people?
That is not an RP act, though it maybe contributes to the general RP, but it maybe also pisses those people off.
Generally, you can't control every OC capital ship in game. Likewise, RM can't control every RM ship in game.
Imagine a RM BS going to New London to warn some indie RM Cruiser and ask for license. Won't happen.
They do it in their own space. You should to.
I think that was the point.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Yes Zapp, but you are like home defense faction, that means you should (not you because i see you online) but others , log on and patrol outcast space... Elite? Yes but if you want to be elite you have to make elite pilots and that you will accomplish by tons and tons of training --> Ergo, more time logged on 101st chars... which was my original point!
The point is that those aren't our people - either they stole it, or they've gone renegade. I dont know what the 101st caps have been doing (as I've been away from Liberty recently), but I saw exactly what those OC caps were. No, 101st caps shouldn't be parking over lawful bases, but we're not going to let expensive military hardware like that battleship remain in the hands of a renegade.
As I said, it is questionable if you can actually do that. Imagine every faction controlling capital ships like that?
Imagine KNF going to NY, QCO going to Chugoku, TBH going to Colorado etc etc.
Liberty lawfuls don't want you settling their problems, as you'r making a mess yourself there too.
Leave it to them I'd say.
Also, if you are already doing it, then don't do it in capital ships, please. That's what makes it pointless completely.
And you'r not actually setting an example to that BS if you come with 2 BS's.
He'd wonder then why did just 2 capital ships try to make me to drop mine? Why would they be able to fly 'em and not me?
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
The Fantasia and Dies Irae are stationed on Buffalo Base short-term for the removal of a specific threat, namely the ALLCAPS-{Wierdname} player group, which has a near-total disregard for anybody's Roleplay but their own. I expect to have them moved out by the end of the week. Indeed, you'll note that this is the first time any 101st force has been in Liberty space for an extended period of time; we've never had a need to go this far in before, and hope not to have to do it more than occasionally. By the time we move a force out of the Omicrons and Taus a capship has already declared its disregard for 101st authority; we never try to repossess or remove without attempting a diplomatic conclusion. As for our authority to enforce such a policy, speak to the [RM] High Command about that; Kane, Virus, Caylith and Dboy, all of which belong to a member group called 'Server Admins'. Just because they don't have the manpower to enforce their policies doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
This whole business about our logged time is getting kind of exasperating...I mean, really, where are we supposed to get all of these members with boundless amounts of free time? At this time we have nineteen fully active members, which is a fairly sizable member count, as far as I'm concerned. We can't all be expected to spend most of our free time sitting in front of our machines playing Outcast Guard; honestly, I don't know how some people manage to play as much as they do. Five, six hours a day; where do they get that kind of time? I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I have summer reading lists to complete, chores to do, a job to deal with, and real vacations to go on. This is, after all, a game, and if we spend every iota of our time playing it there won't be much else left of us.
As for the Sovereignty issue, so be it, I'll change the wording, if people are going to be that picky about the use of the term 'Sovereign'. Honestly, it shouldn't matter, because the meaning won't change unless God comes down from on high and tells us himself to change it. Whether we do it as a standalone power or as a military police force, we will be policing our space, and our ships, because if we don't, it comes back on us whenever outcast indies upset someone, or someone gets crunched in Maltese space.
Adding dynamic to the Corsair/Outcast war: That could present an issue, simply because there isn't meant to be a dynamic. It's not likely to ever end, ever. That would have to be an executive decision made by Igiss himself, and that would be a very difficult thing to get by him, methinks, seeing as that would change the entire face of the map, totally tear down one of the biggest constants in the game and completely wreck years worth of Roleplay by some of the community's finest members, Outcast and Corsair alike. Very, very unlikely. I mean, really, are the TBH honestly expected to surrender to us and become good Outcast citizens if we go in and destroy them a couple of times or vice versa? That would be metagaming of the highest degree.
As for what we intend to do as a faction is do what we always have; defend Maltese space, police said space, attempt to neutralize our enemies and protect the Cardamine trade. What we do with other Outcast factions, said Outcast factions (and the one major group, on its way to officialdom) are:
The BLS: Cardamine smugglers, little in the way of an armed force and wholly devoted to the Cardamine trade and their own financial success. Relation to the 101st: We will escort them to their destination if it appears they may encounter hostiles in their path and defend them within Maltese space. Not much to that interaction beyond the obvious.
The RoS: A group of foreign warriors/mercenaries of a sort, loosely affiliated with the Outcast nation and sharing a similar agenda, but refusing to integrate. Relation to the 101st: We attack and defend targets and our space with them. Not much beyond that.
The SOB: A group of economical dissidents attempting to combat the BLSs progressing monopoly of the Cardamine trade. Relation to the 101st: We treat them as a vigilante militia with overall acceptable objectives in line with our own and supply them arms and military support assuming their continued compliance with 101st directive. Their qualm with the BLS is of no concern to us; that is an entirely political/economic matter which has no bearing on the military unless it directly threatens the integrity of our budget.
As you can see, our relations are pretty well established. There's not much more we can do with them; we each have separate agendas that restrict our interaction and potential inter-faction Roleplay.
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' Wrote:As for our authority to enforce such a policy, speak to the [RM] High Command about that; Kane, Virus, Caylith and Dboy, all of which belong to a member group called 'Server Admins'. Just because they don't have the manpower to enforce their policies doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Seems you missed what other people said.
RM does enforce that in Rhienland. It does not go hunting for them around sirius.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.