' Wrote:At one point NovaPG was giving BDs to anyone who would even ask....
*cough*
BHG GS
*cough*
maybe IMG GB instead?
Well it was not our problem that NovaPG gave them to everyone. We had a RP background and went through some progress until we were "allowed" to purchase some.
The description clearly states, that the GS is an outdated model that is no loner really used by the BHG. That fits with our story that we were never granted the full access to the BHG (And we did not write it for the purpose of flying the GS).
As kingvaillant already said, we are very hostile to the corsairs. They are our main targets, we shoot them the most. So the IMG gunboat would be a little out of place.
We try to get away from the entire Bounty Hunter equipment and ships. But until now, there is no alternative to the BH GS.
With the new mod version, I hope there will be several new options for us to become more "neutral". But that will be decided when it is out and not before.
And you can just ask us everything you want. You don't have to cough hints to something. Just say what you think.
' Wrote:Nah, never really had any issues with you guys.
I have some criticism however, which isn't connected only to this faction, as you might have noticed.
Blood Dragon HF - my only critique. I don't think you should use it.
No, really, I'v never fought against one of Mandalorians in it, that's not the problem.
PVP isn't the problem at all, as I know you guys aren't as trigger-happy as most of others are.
Problem is that I can't see Blood Dragons giving it to anyone.
I always complain about this, even when GC uses it, when OC's use it, or when anyone else non-BD uses it.
Red Cats are fine, as their infocard doesn't state anything similar as the BD HF one.
Actually, that is the only ship I have issue with. I don't care if you use anything else.
Don't take this as a rant, as my reasons for this opinion have nothing to do with PVP.
On the positive note, every single encounter with you guys was a pleasing one.
' Wrote:At one point NovaPG was giving BDs to anyone who would even ask....
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Well, the only Blood Dragon still in Mandalorian possession is the one I own.
The original deal with the NovaPG was for us to work as agents of chaos inside Kusari hunting and hurting the KNF. At that time, the Mandalorian players had saved enough money to buy a system. The faction felt it needed a "home". I wasn't a member at the time so I can't give details about the reasoning. For reasons that were both within and without the faction's power, the purchase of the system ended up being canceled. So, they had all this money and nothing to do with it. As the deal with the Blood Dragons was being cut, some of the guys (probably Luc) had the idea of making a ship (instead of an empty system) the home for the Mandalorian people (for reference, this happened in the transition between 4.83 and 4.84 and I was already in the faction).
Luc has this character, Yuri, who's a shipyard owner and had a tight relationship with the Mandalorians. The deal with NovaPG was that they'd provide us with the basic plans for the battleship, which would be adapted by Yuri to make us a home ship, the "Mhi Motir", which in a very rough translation from Mando'a (like there was any other kind) means "our stand" or "our home".
John Cabbot (Dieter's character) had recently taken control of the Mandalorian people (post #1 in the "Tales of the Mandalorians" thread) opening a position in the consulate to which I was eventually appointed. Luc ended up getting away from the game leaving us with the a Blood Dragon IDed Togo (part of the deal so we could have it) parked in New London. That ship was never meant to have a combat role, but a ceremonial one. Though it was too much inconspicuous for us to use for anything other than a very expensive armory.
With time, Ranov'la Aran (my character) demonstrated excellent diplomatic skills, so he became our liaison with our clients and partners. We made some noise alright in Kusari (which can be perceived mainly in KNF's message dump for that time). Us being marked as enemies of the Shogunate was expected, but the KNF getting out of their ways to have the Bounty Hunter Guild on us was something that was remarkable in itself.
The terms of the job with NovaPG were mostly around hunting the KNF pilots for them. Bruce Willis also cut us some exclusive bounties. However, we are always thinking of ways to further service our clients to a point that they become more than that, but true partners. We started offering aid to the NovaPG when we felt they needed it. There were a number of battles in which Mandalorians have fought alongside NovaPG pilots against not only the KNF, but also other enemies (Corsairs, Hogosha, Bounty Hunters that invaded Chugoku or hunted them in Sigma-13).
Apart from that, I've always instructed our pilots to be the more respectful they could when approaching Blood Dragon space. We would announce our approach from a system away and would stop right after the jump hole asking permission to enter their space and or land on their bases. Ranov'la Aran behaved at his best around the Dragons. At the time, I've always contacted Bruce Willis, both in their message dump and in private messages, providing him with information and the news of our achievements against their enemies. Ranov'la Aran has also helped the Dragons in training and practicing. He brought them equipment when needed.
At a given point, NovaPG's leader offered (I didn't ask for it) the Blood Dragon to the Consul. To Ranov'la Aran, the gesture came in as an honor and had a great meaning to it. If Tony has eventually made the BD ships a bargaining chip for popularity it doesn't concern me, my Blood Dragon HF was granted me prior to the free for all spree and had a very significant RP meaning to it. To those who understand the Japanese culture, it felt like Ranov'la Aran had been given a Katana sword. A worthy gift, from one warrior to another. Too bad that meaning was eventually lost when Tony started giving their ships away to pretty much anyone who asked, as Mjolnir has stated.
Well, regardless of the outside-of-the-game politics that made it be like that, my BD was presented to my character not through a good story I wrote to get it, but through what I consider to be a good story that ended up involving five factions (Mandalorians, NovaPG, KNF, GC and QCRF) which wasn't written, but played. A story of warriors, battles, honor and dedication. The way I read that infocard, chopper, I'd say that the BDs wouldn't give the ship to the next Jane GC or Joe Outcast that came to their doorstep asking for one, but I don't see a problem with them honoring someone that has fought alongside them and that has left a significant mark in their story. So much that no KNF, AFA or Hogosha worthy of his rice will let a Mandalorian pass unhindered through Kusari space. So much that the Mandalorians are listed not as friendly, but as allied in the new BD faction's diplomacy.
No, there's only one way Ranov'la Aran will relinquish his Blood Dragon ships. That is the current representative of the BD writing him a formal (in RP) request for him to return them to the Mito shipyards.
If you use some of them it would be reasonably ok.. but you use all 3.
Well. We started to use those ships BEFORE it was "revealed" that those ships were "uber". We do not use them because they are so "uber" and we can "pwn" everyone with them.
We will even continue to use Stinger in the next mod version when it will be fixed.
For the BD Bomber: We were/are encouraging our members to sell their BD stuff. So until now only 2 BD ships are left. 1 more active and 1 nearly never used. Edit: well you've seen Gronath's post.
And nor the BHG GS: I know the KNF loath the Or'diini. I can understand that. I would gladly get another gunboat/gunship because I'm starting to get sick of all the accuses and the whining about that ship.
So to repeat myself: We are not using those ships to PVP-whore. We use them because they fit our RP. But sadly, trough strange coincidences those ships are often "bugged".
We care for our RP, and we care to stay within the RP bounds but it look we had some "bad luck" in the past and hopefully it will change with the new mod version.
Only thought you were using just the bomber. As I said I don't have problems with you keeping it.. it's just the overall image with the ship combination.
Main reason for this is simply the existence of so many half-broken ships in the mod. Specially in some classes there's not so much to choose from if you want a reasonably neutral ship. The "neutral" ships are either too bad or too good.
So yes it's not easy to choose a generally accepted ship, yet it is possible.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
If you use some of them it would be reasonably ok.. but you use all 3.
We also use both Vipers I and II, Eagle, Manta, BD bomber, Taiidan, an unthinkable... (what's the name of that freighter with the diagonal cross section?).
Let me point something out about the mine BD bomber. At a recent Skype discussion where people were talking about it, saying it was all uber, I've said, "Well, the bomber it's not THAT absurd as it takes forever for its energy to recharge." Then someone said that it insta-killed any fighter in combat with a razor and a SN. I said I didn't use it like that and I got, "Then you're using it wrong."
It makes no sense for a hunter not to mount a CD. People out there mounting Razor+SN are the ones thinking about the edge in battle and they are coming from a reasoning that their targets are as much interested in fighting as they probably are. If my character is anything short of an amateur hunter, he has to consider that his targets will try and escape, so he needs the CD.
Really, Mjolnir. If you remember an assault I did with two other Mandalorians in Magellan against the LHs in which you participated. Do you really mean to tell me that those guys that fought you there were PvP/balance abusers? If we were interested in abusing balance for the sake of PvP, we'd have allowed all our pilots to use the Catamaran when we were actively working for the Dragons, which we never did. I'm sure Tony, as you've said it yourself, wouldn't deny the ship to us. I reckon three of all Mandalorians actually fly their gunships actively, those are Dha Piruna (his ship is the Or'dinii), Kandosii and Aden Jango. From these three, probably only Dha is active enough to make a difference in the ship. We probably have three Stingers right now. And a single BD bomber that belongs to myself. I wouldn't say we are really abusing.
Quote:Let me point something out about the mine BD bomber. At a recent Skype discussion where people were talking about it, saying it was all uber, I've said, "Well, the bomber it's not THAT absurd as it takes forever for its energy to recharge." Then someone said that it insta-killed any fighter in combat with a razor and a SN. I said I didn't use it like that and I got, "Then you're using it wrong."
There other bombers that have to do with the small powerplant as well. It's not a mini mounted that makes it too good. Some factions have to use partly bugged ships since they have no alternative, some can choose.
AoM says "differences between pilots are bigger than differences between ships", this is true until you get to over average pilots.
It's a logarithmic learning curve. Until you get too close to the limit the differences are higher, once you approach it the difference in ships do a lot.
I can fight good pilots in one ship and kill them 10vs0 then in a different one I loose 0vs10.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
Well, I have to quote some points here and to try to give an explanation.
Quote:As kingvaillant already said, we are very hostile to the corsairs. They are our main targets, we shoot them the most. So the IMG gunboat would be a little out of place.
IMG Gunboat is pretty much the same as Viper1 and Viper2. Not exclusively IMG vessel, but made for wider market, same as Raven Talon for example.
How come you can use Vipers but can't use IMG GB?
Yes, I know, IMG Gunboat is sold only on bases hostile to you. But so is Stinger, aye?
So that shouldn't be the problem.
But, even if you don't want to use IMG GB, you can still change your ship line a bit.
For example, instead of using Dragon fighter/bomber ships, you could use their Gunboat and RP it as gift/s or such.
I have no idea if this ship is good in PVP, I don't want you to get an impression that I'm trying to weaken you in pvp.
Taiidan bomber is perfectly fine, much better for Mandalians then Red Catamaran, though I really have no problem fighting against Catamarans.
I don't think of them as too uber, but I do think of them as fighter killers, which you are obviously not abusing.
Gronath, I agree with you there about BD HF, but that wasn't really my point.
I know you wouldn't even use it for PVP advantages.
My point is - it gives a wrong impression to other people who meet you in space.
So they say : "If mandalorians can fly BD, why GC/Outcasts can't?"
And I don't mean one person, but whole factions.
I have nothing against one RP-ed BD here or there, as long as it's not used for other factions excuses.
And it is, though it's not really your fault, I was just implying that that can be changed.
But nevermind.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.