Remove Carriers from this mod

[Tenacity]

This has been getting on my nerves for a very long time now. Currently there are four carriers in Discovery:

-Order Light Carrier (Balanced and classified as a Battlecruiser)
-Liberty Carrier, IMG Carrier, Zoner Carrier (All balanced and classified as Battleships)

Now, it seems that a good deal of the posters around here have gotten the idea into their heads that because the word "Carrier" exists in these ship titles, they should be stripped of all combat effectiveness, because "they can launch fighters to fight for them!"

Hey, all you 'bright people' out there who I'm referring to, got a little bit of information for you: No, they cant.

I full well realize that most of the people saying this are the same lolwutting battleshipwhores that are flying around Sirius blasting everyone they meet, and simply want one less threat to deal with, but the fact is that people are using the term "Carrier" as an excuse to try and nerf, ruin, and castrate these ships, at the expense of the people who have put not only credits - but time, effort, and frustration into their characters and the craft they command.

That attitude is greedy, selfish, and has no place at all on this server, or anywhere else - and I'm tired of these people ruining balance in this mod to serve their own ends. Problem is, many of these people have wound up on the developers team themselves, and now those of us who actually know what the hell we're talking about cant get anything changed because of it.



So, I would like to push for the term "carrier", the word itself, to be forever removed from this mod. It has been argued countless times in the past to implement carrier functionality, and it will not happen - and because that will not happen, carriers need to vanish, and all ships bearing the name need to be remodelled and rebalanced to match their perspective shipclasses.

So we end up with the following changes:

1. Order Light Assault Carrier:
-Renamed to: Order Assault Battlecruiser
-Replace the model with something similar in size to the BHG Battlecruiser (slightly larger, due to order ship design/shape)
-Change armament to 10 Cruiser Turrets, 2 Battleship Turrets
-Reduce armor to 475k (same as necrosis)

2. Liberty Carrier
-Renamed to: Liberty Seige Battleship
-Replace the model with a heavy battleship model. Hell you could probably keep the current model and just block up the launch tubes.
-Maintain current stats

3. IMG Carrier
-Renamed to: IMG Light Battleship
-Replace model with a non-carrier model
-Maintain current stats

4. Zoner Aquilon Carrier
-Renamed to: Zoner Heavy Explorer
-Replace model with a non-carrier model
-Maintain current stats

And past that, never use the term carrier in this mod after such changes are made. The carrier ship class doesnt exist - all that exists are gunships, gunboats, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, and dreadnaughts. End of story, problem solved, no more use of that pathetic word as leverage over ship balance.

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[Montezuma/Kukulcan]

I think unless someone can make it so as fighters and bombers can dock with player carriers (apparently possible, flak 88 mod did it), or player carriers can spawn NPCs or something, there is really no point in having them being any different from battleships (or battlescruisers), as thats baisically all they are right now.

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[Elsdragon]

I agree.

Dont call it a carrier, and use that to castrate it, based on the IRP thing that they launch fighters. Its not in the game mechanincs, so dont.

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No longer a slave to the man!

[kikatsu]

I think this is getting a bit out of hand....


but I would say keep the word Carrier....and role play it...get a group of other people in the same faction who fly fighters and stay in open system communication with them
or something

I mean, the idea of being in command of a carrier really interests me...they are always one of my favorite ships in any space RTS game as well...so getting that on a scale where I can control it makes it worth it for me really

If you want to RP in a battleship or cruiser...get one
want to RP as a carrier commander, get a carrier really

that's my mindset atleast

[Thexare]

I disagree with replacing the models. I like being able to at least RP a carrier (hypothetically, anyway, as there's no carrier for the faction I want one for...)

I'm with you on the objection to nerfing them, though.

[Divine]

3. IMG Carrier
-Renamed to: IMG Light Battleship
-Replace model with a non-carrier model
-Maintain current stats


This 'Carrier' has a name: Zephyr.
To replace the model, you need to talk with the person responsible for the shipline.

And if at all, make it, according to your prososed changes to make the 'Carrier' Battleships, at least as powerful as a 'regular' Battleship. Its one of the weakest of its class actually.

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And even if they are labeled 'Carrier', let them be, this is a RP Server and the term Carrier serves its purpose.

They are treated as Battleships, can act like Battleships and need a Battleship-license to be flown... so they are in fact, already Battleships.


[05:28:13] Jokoro (Joe) : "What's in a name...?" as Shakespeare says. They mean nothing.

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[Sprolf]

I think this is getting a bit out of hand....
but I would say keep the word Carrier....and role play it...get a group of other people in the same faction who fly fighters and stay in open system communication with them
or something

I mean, the idea of being in command of a carrier really interests me...they are always one of my favorite ships in any space RTS game as well...so getting that on a scale where I can control it makes it worth it for me really

If you want to RP in a battleship or cruiser...get one
want to RP as a carrier commander, get a carrier really

that's my mindset atleast

The question is, does that wonderful roleplay value merit removing PvP ability?

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[kikatsu]

Never said to do anything to it's stats and PVP ability
no way in heck I am venturing into that part of this conversation

[Sprolf]

Never said to do anything to it's stats and PVP ability
no way in heck I am venturing into that part of this conversation

Nice choice.
Shall we leave this thread together, then, and avoid the flames? *holds out hand*

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[Divine]

EDIT: to my previous post.

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And past that, never use the term carrier in this mod after such changes are made. The carrier ship class doesnt exist - all that exists are gunships, gunboats, destroyers, cruisers, battlecruisers, battleships, and dreadnaughts. End of story, problem solved, no more use of that pathetic word as leverage over ship balance.

They are mod-wise handled as Battleships (no 'Carrier-license', you need a 'Battleship-license').
And I doubt that any changes will be made to them just because some people around use an argument that isnt backed up by game-mechanics to rant over a term.

Honestly, leave it be.

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