Thanks man, and yeah, the taxes / papers is exactly what I was aiming at. Ofcourse for all those that prefer the solo way there is smuggling, but even smugglers can unite for better benefits.
Sure, this is not the real life, but its far from single player.
@doc:
exactly, the things that some corps ship exclusively and produce exclusively or are only ones that produce it in that part of space should be monopolized.
Why should someone who is belonging to the company that extracts Irridium and someone who has no connection whatsoever there have the same rights of purchasing irridium.
I've always run a Freelancer Trader and there are positives and negatives to doing it.
I'm not in a faction, so I can't call for backup if I get into problems.
Every ship I buy, I have to finance *myself*, nobody is going to give me the credits to do it out of the goodness of their hearts and not expect to be paid back. (ok, there are a small number of people out there that will do that)
Sure, I can dock pretty much anywhere I want and buy whatever to take it elsewhere, but by the same token, if I haven't been smart enough to keep my rep reasonably clean, I can get to the appointed place and find they are hostile to me.
Case in point is 'Pueblo Bonito', I *used* to be able to dock there, but now it's hostile to me, it seems a Faction has taken it over and said it's 'not for the ordinary people'.
I *try* to play to my IFF (currently IC), so docking in certain places is oorp for me, going to try and change that to a Freelancer IFF, so that I can occasionally take a load of food to the starving Corsairs on Crete. :P
Making the load size limit even smaller would make me :( as it would put ships like the Firefly and BWT out of reach, leaving Freelancers with the 'Big Dragon' (Kusari) and 'Behemoth' (Rheinland) transports as their main choices.
From memory, commodities can bet made to work the same way as the weapons do, if you aren't friendly enough with the faction that controls the base you are on, you won't be able to buy certain things.
The only things that are buyable everywhere are the items that are needed to keep 'body and soul' together, basic foodstuffs, water and similar items.
Those independent id traders are a secondary life line of trade not only to corporations but a primary to unlawfull bases. Don't get Indi ID traders mixed in with Corporate shippers or you will kill your own deliveries to your very base. No, smugglers won't be able to compensate for the demand since they can no longer land at any lawfull installation who captains a pirate train, which now puts indi ID traders as a priority for supplies to unlawfull bases since no corporate shipper can deliver to unlawfull bases, you need indi ID traders and such.
Corporations depend on Indi ID traders to get things to other customers which may not want to be associated to, lets say a food manufacturer whos primary customer is say..... CRETE. Since having such a customer would taint any political or public relations, one company would contract a indi ID trader to make such deliveries, and Crete (Corsairs) would be thankfull for it.
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Unlawful group need supplies but corporations wont sell to them, unlawful group would hire an Indi ID transport to go pick up supplies on there behalf at a legal base, and return to drop off.
In additions, corporations need these Independent traders to go to say conflicted areas, which they do not need to risk their own resources and transports, this negates company risk and lays it more in the hands fo the trader. This is good business for corporations in turn and risk factor dropped considerably
Indepentent Traders are needed! Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Mercs I thinks should be limited to no tradings and Freelancers limited to frieghters, but you Intependent Trader ID are the secondary life line to the economy and be allowed to continue.
I would like to add, with the point on where you are going with this.
As a company with now exclusive trade rights, and only deliverable components with contract exclusive purchasers. I would triple the prices in cost to increase my profit margins and to cover the security. Every other company would file suit.
You would see an increase in expense and deliveries would be more securely guarded to ensure contract deliveries, in turn this would make it harder for pirates to make a living to not at all.
' Wrote:Personally, I feel that a Freelance Trader makes no sense.
You don't get to ship massive containers of goods from South Africa to the UK without special clearances, taxes, licenses etc.
I reckon every 3500 + Transport should come with a tag and license...
You can still be an independent shipping for Republican or Synth foods.
How many times do I have to repeat myself.
There is already strict limitations on how large transports you can use with the generic IDs. We should not try to make Freelancer realistic, because it can never ever be realistic.
Stop comparing it to real life.
I don't see why would for example cryer pharma file an lawsuit against repex signing an exclusive deal with GMG to ship plutonium.
Also, there's no company that delivers food but Zoners that has their primary source of income - Crete.
Actually there's no lawful company that has its primary income from outside of the house they're created in.
I can see your point about not be able to go anywhere, but isn't that a point? Why would you be able to go to all those places and have your benefits, while corporation trader would have to stick to some camped out routes and trade within houses. What's fair in that?
Edit: Yeah, iKone did already mention that the indie ships got reduced cargo hold and that's good, made it more realistic.
As for real life - freelancer, you can stop mentioning that now, you've made your point. I wont say you're bitching, because that's plain rude.
' Wrote:I can see your point about not be able to go anywhere, but isn't that a point? Why would you be able to go to all those places and have your benefits, while corporation trader would have to stick to some camped out routes and trade within houses. What's fair in that?
Why did you take over Kishiro Technologies in the first place,
when you start immidiately complaining about the unfairness of corporate trade?
You knew that corporate traders always had worse profits.
Not too long ago you were boasting how it was great to be a corporate trader and enhance the roleplay.
Suddenly it's unfair and it sucks. Make up your mind.
The only purpose of this topic seems to be your own personal benefit.
But, you people always wanted realism, let me tell you what.
Corporations were made to support and help their own nation by bringing the supplies they need.
Corporation's first goal is NOT personal benefit, but their whole nations's benefit.
It is the other way with independent traders. They do it COMPLETELY for their own benefit.
Although in my opinion there is nothing unfair.
Corporates have no limitations in how large transport they can use - Independent traders do.
And yes, I am a corporate trader by myself, too. And I find nothing unfair in it.
' Wrote:Edit: Yeah, iKone did already mention that the indie ships got reduced cargo hold and that's good, made it more realistic.
As for real life - freelancer, you can stop mentioning that now, you've made your point. I wont say you're bitching, because that's plain rude.
I must repeat myself when people blindly agree with you without even bothering to look at the both sides.
actually you're completely missing the point now. I took over Kishiro to build up roleplay and promote more corporate roleplay. I'm doing it, this is not a whine thread, you're the only one who labeled it like that.
I'm trying to actually make sure corporations have it better than indies, and while there's people like you that see the situation and just accept it with your hands behind your back, there are people that try to change things. So yes, I think corporation trade is great, i think it offers great benefits and I think that it will be even better, my question was simple to the rest of the sirius would, do they think independent traders should have it harder or not? That's it.
If you have some issues, please address them elsewhere, because everyone else seems to have civilised discussions here but you.
Also, corporations are made to fuel themselves, not their governments.
Since you compared that to realism, let me do the same. Mcdonalds is surely out there to bring great deal of cash to who? themselves ofcourse. And thats good, thats what corporations are for. With headquaters in USA, USA enjoys the tax from them.
I wouldn't mind going hardcore and having houses tax corporations monthly for their business in the said house.
But I am sharing my opinion, seeing who agrees and who thinks things should be different, and seeing who thinks I'm wrong. If I could earn anything from your objections apart from that when someone tells you you're bitching repeatedly, it pisses me off, then I'ld say that you're right.
Since I can't I won't agree with you, and I still think that corporations should have right to monopolize their unique commodities.
' Wrote:So yes, I think corporation trade is great, i think it offers great benefits and I think that it will be even better, my question was simple to the rest of the sirius would, do they think independent traders should have it harder or not? That's it.
' Wrote:I can see your point about not be able to go anywhere, but isn't that a point? Why would you be able to go to all those places and have your benefits, while corporation trader would have to stick to some camped out routes and trade within houses. What's fair in that?
A minute ago it was unfair, and now it is great?
And I compared it to realism because that's what you people nag about constantly.
All you want is realism. Go outside, there's more than plenty of realism for you.
You should not try to find realism in a game.
Yes, I accept most things as they are.
At least it's better than trying to change things only for your own benefit.
' Wrote:I don't see why would for example cryer pharma file an lawsuit against repex signing an exclusive deal with GMG to ship plutonium.
Also, there's no company that delivers food but Zoners that has their primary source of income - Crete.
Actually there's no lawful company that has its primary income from outside of the house they're created in.
I can see your point about not be able to go anywhere, but isn't that a point? Why would you be able to go to all those places and have your benefits, while corporation trader would have to stick to some camped out routes and trade within houses. What's fair in that?
Well then maybe the corporate guy should become an indi trader id then.
I find corporation routes not fun at all, I feel limited in rp and cornered to do the same thing over and over again. As a independent trader myself, I go all over the place and rp with all kinds of different players and the result is always different (This is a rp server.). This id extends your ships application, if you bought a shire and bowex id, your limited to bretonia and only with that rp, now if I wanted to change to a different area, I only have two options. Sell my ship and id and go someplace else, wow, lots of credits lost on that and would have to fix my rep accordingly. Not very fun. The second would be to start a new char for another corporation and purchase another ship. Remember not all players have the funds to do these two options. Some have hard enough time paying for their fighters and resupply.
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What I did, get a Independent Trader ID, only have to pay for one ship and cart supplies all over Sirius, one day I feel like dealing with the OPG, then the next day want to involve myself with the GMG or XTF, or putz around in Delta, I can't exactly do that with a corporate id and factioned. So, really if the Indi Trader ID was limited more and my application to pick up trades was reduced, in such a manner as a corporation id. I would really not be interested in Freelancer at all. This is for myself. I really don't like corporations and the rp that goes with it, I dont find it fun at all.
This may be the same reasons why you see allot of independent traders, to have different rp days with different players. It's sometimes about the players and their surroundings that needs to take priority.