' Wrote:This really isn't something that needs to be taken super seriously because it's a game and most of us are just here to have fun. You should try smiling, you'll feel better about things (honest).
Agreed with you there, Mr. Topic Maker.
My sympathies.
By the way, at the time of you getting sanctioned, did you try to appeal it in your sanction thread while providing the link of the thread in which you asked about what you should do?
If you didn't, sorry to say, but you should've.
If you did, then you've been wronged.
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This is the trouble when something gets too big for its own good.
Back when I started at Disco, many a year ago, things were much more casual. But then we didn't need a whole bunch of rules and regulations, coz everyone was reasonable and we sat down to have fun.
But inevitably, along would come another 1337 player... someone who just has to win at all costs, to abuse any sploit they could find, to "push the envelope" that little bit in their favour, and not giving two s**ts about anyone else but themselves. So then a decision would have to be made to close the sploit, and a rule made to enforce it. And so the spirit of Disco would die that little bit more, until we are where we're at today, which is crushed under a huge book of rules and regulations.
It didn't help that with the demise of many other servers, Disco got inundated with pwnz0rs and other assorted d**kheads from the likes of Void... the Mongolian Hordes that threatened to wreck the place beyond all recognition.
A practical suggestion: Make it password only? Requiring that you join the forum and then "earn" password, maybe by role play or something like that? Make a second, trial server with the same intent?
' Wrote:A practical suggestion: Make it password only? Requiring that you join the forum and then "earn" password, maybe by role play or something like that? Make a second, trial server with the same intent?
It's been talked about quite a lot, but:
Igiss and the admins want the server to stay public. There'll be no password, not ever, they said. And that about solves it.
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' Wrote:This is the trouble when something gets too big for its own good.
Back when I started at Disco, many a year ago, things were much more casual. But then we didn't need a whole bunch of rules and regulations, coz everyone was reasonable and we sat down to have fun.
But inevitably, along would come another 1337 player... someone who just has to win at all costs, to abuse any sploit they could find, to "push the envelope" that little bit in their favour, and not giving two s**ts about anyone else but themselves. So then a decision would have to be made to close the sploit, and a rule made to enforce it. And so the spirit of Disco would die that little bit more, until we are where we're at today, which is crushed under a huge book of rules and regulations.
It didn't help that with the demise of many other servers, Disco got inundated with pwnz0rs and other assorted d**kheads from the likes of Void... the Mongolian Hordes that threatened to wreck the place beyond all recognition.
My 2-c....
Yes ... the tightening up is primarily due to the over-zealous who come from PVP only servers. And some of the rules we've got now came about from them ... and probably needed. But what we really need is NOT more rules ... but enforcement of the rules that already exist. And we need to enforce them as written ... we do NOT need our rules expanded beyond what is in the text based on someone's opinion on what the rule states. For example ... Piracy is either PVP or not. We can't go about saying certain PVP rules apply to piracy and others do not. If one PVP rule applies (cruising to catch up) ... then all PVP rules apply (4 hour death rules). Consistent ... unambiguous ... clear ... concise rules are what we need. We do NOT need rules that are applied in one situation and not in another (that's inconsistent). We need them to be easily understood so that even the new guy gets it without having to post question threads on rules (unambiguous and clear). We need the rules to be short ... the more text you use ... the more it opens itself up to interpretation (concise).
' Wrote:A practical suggestion: Make it password only? Requiring that you join the forum and then "earn" password, maybe by role play or something like that? Make a second, trial server with the same intent?
Not an option ... this would kill the server quick. And then you've got the issue of who do you allow and disallow ... can become abused by allowing only your friends and allies in ... not much good for diversity of role players.
Discovery has been going downhill even since Ive been watching it in 4.82. I originally joined Kansas 24/7 in 4.82, untill it was downed and we had to move on. Then, I moved to this server in 4.84 (I think... ) There are over-zealous rules, and uptight people that ruin this community. And you know who you are.
wow. nice venting session. maybe someone could PM the admins with this link. of course, in doing so, you probably risk a sanction in itself, given the evidence you have talked about. i know that rules are for a reason. and i understand the reasons of most of the rules on this server. but if the situations you describe are accurate, then its a true shame. admin completely destroying every person in sight for no given reason? being sanctioned for admitting that you need help on the forums instead of staying logged in on the server to ask? they should be the first ones to reach out a helping hand, and its a sad state of affairs when you have other players rushing to your side to help you, just so you dont get sanctioned. It boggles me that there are 2 worlds out there on the server. the system chat which is nothing but RP, and then the PMs from players trying to help you avoid a sanction. why cant the admins be so understanding?
i had a pleasant little laugh when the admin posted the situation about the server saying that it was attacked. he wasnt specific about what it was, and hell it could have been a virus or something. who knows. but everyone was so quick to assume it was a hacker. saying that it was probably someone pissed off from a sanction. players should be more pissed off about pirates stealing all they're cargo than they should about a run-in with an admin, but that is simply not the case anymore, is it?
i remember when i started playing this a few months back, and when someone broke RP rules in system chat, they were issued a verbal warning, and then usually the one who warned them would PM them and explain the RP rules. The other day, i knew a good friend of mine that actually got sanctioned for not staying within RP in system chat with very little notice or warning. because he didnt use //. and he was a newb. fortunately it was just a warning for him this time, but i can understand his frustration.
then i knew someone with a zoner juggernaut, many of you know who i am talking about. but he got everything taken away, then when he tried to recover with his other trader ship, they took everything away from that too! over an event that he didnt seem to have full understanding of. maybe he did, maybe he didnt. but i believe it was an honest mistake on his part. i am surprised to see that he is still on this server, for if that had happened to me, i think i would be done with freelancer for good.
maybe the admins should loosen they're grip on some of the rules. maybe they shouldnt be so quick to issue sanctions left and right, and maybe they should spend more time actually talking to people. or at least have some moderators to do that for them, since they say they are all so busy all the time. what about moderators? just to help people out, and if the people still have trouble following the rules, then maybe a sanction is due.
i dunno. i just play the game. if something comes up, then i try to deal with it. but sometimes it just seems like its not worth it. there are so many other things i could be spending my time on.
maybe the admins will realize the situation and figure something out. maybe if they read enough posts like this, they will do something to help rectify the situation.
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