Rheinland Capital Ships... just the "standard"

[Blodo]

The point is, that many RM pilots prefer to use Wraiths, Snubbies or maybe gunboats. There are only few big ships in the official faction.

The reason behind that being that at pretty much any given time when RM log on, there is already some 3+ indie capital ships sitting in Hamburg/Hudson/Texas, doing something to the LN. So the official faction tries to keep the fighter numbers up, and only takes the caps out when they know they aren't going to ridiculously outgun the currently present enemy.

After all, this server isn't about lolpwning everything that moves with a massive flood of capships, but to have some good fun on both sides, regardless of who wins...

[RingoW]

Current ship development of Rheinland fits very well into story line. Remember, that Rheinland was nearly bancrupt 17 years ago. Slowly the colony gains prosperity again. So they had not the credits for development of heavy gear. They continued to build the old line of warships and developed new fighter crafts instead.
More important, the companies spent their credits to enhance trading income and prosperity, by the development of new transports.

Next thing before new warships will be constructed, let the ALG rumors become true. Since 17 years there is the rumor about an ALG/RM shipyard to build the new heavy gear. Where is the shipyard?

Before this idea is dismissed compleatly, there is one type of ship, id love to see in Rheinland, the "Hilfskreuzer" (auxiliary cruiser).
A Heavyly modified ATrain or Rheinlandtrain, outfitted with gunboatclass weapons and equipment, for Tradewarfare.
Heavy, clumsy but powerful enough to take out any Transport class ship, with maybe 2500 Cargo to take some prizes.

Capture some Junker salvage frigates!

AoM

[Cellulanus]

Next thing before new warships will be constructed, let the ALG rumors become true. Since 17 years there is the rumor about an ALG/RM shipyard to build the new heavy gear. Where is the shipyard?

Actually you are mistaken, ALG was competing with Republican for the contract to build the new Bremen Class battleship, which is suppose to be even more powerful then the Westfalen, or the old Bismark class ships.

Right now that hasn't seemed to have been settled.



On a personal note of mine, I fear as to what the model would look like, and to whoever makes it please don't but cruiser towers on it, they don't look good on anything else.

[johnpeter]

2 Cruisers, 2 Battleships

Where do you get those???

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[Bogenschutz]

Ok, let's face it. The current Rhienland line-up of capital ships consists of fat, obese,

overweight, inefficient, slow junk.

Who's responsible for this? Does this mean that Rheinland isn't cabaple of designing modern

efficient things?

No!



BLAME DAUMAN H.C. !

Blame the old farts in this mismanaged company.

If it were up to me, I'd blame them for losing the Eighty Years War for their unreliable junk.

Think of them as of HUMMER of General Motors.


Now, we know that Rheinland government finally realised what's what and BANNED them from the

next contract.



What does this mean? I think it means a RADICAL change in the desing of Rheinland

ships. We know the economy isn't in best conditions.


Modellers, if you are going to make the next generation line-up of Rheinland caps,

please FORGET those relics we have now. ALG or Republican means completely new designs, also

given the status of economy, everything should look efficient. Remember:


- low mass
- LIGHTWEIGHT


I think these should be the main characteristics of Rheinlands next generation capital ships.

[sovereign]

Dude, what do you have against Daumann?

For one thing, this isn't a roleplay thread, and for another, you had a similar (and not very friendly) post in a thread where someone was asking for help with their Daumann faction stuff.

Anyhoo, Rheinland's navy got beaten up pretty hard as the uninfested fleet battled the infested part over New Berlin (not to mention any casualties they suffered when they slaughtered the KNF and conquered Honshu and New Tokyo, plus whatever Trent did to them, plus any Blood Dragon or Red Hessian related casualties on the way back into Rheinland), but the KNF were just about wiped out. Granted, their entire resource pool was not burned up to make the fleet like Rheinland's was (I have a rumor somewhere mentioning that Rheinland would never recover from this, due to burning out all of their resources- perfect for the Nomads), but they made a nice recovery.

Also keep in mind how fast real-world German recovered from the Treaty of Versailles. In six years, Adolf Hitler led them from a crippling depression a la present-day Zimbabwe to one of the most powerful military nations on the planet.



Putting things together, it isn't far out of the question to give Rheinland new capital ships, but considering their quite capable snub fighters (which cover the resource efficiency angle nicely) I don't think they particularly need any. If someone comes up with a great concept and model for one, cool! If not, don't waste effort on it.

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[Cyberanson]

In six years, Adolf Hitler led them from a crippling depression a la present-day Zimbabwe to one of the most powerful military nations on the planet.

Please don't forget, that he was heavily funded by various American and British banks, who put a bunch of their funds into his party and the IG Farben, a giant German industrial conglomerate. Without their cash flow Germany would have taken longer to recover.

But back to the Rheinland: even if the Bogenschutz chieftain dislikes Daumann, I like his point of designing the new Rheinland ships. Due to the fact that Rheinland was nearly completely bankrupt the new ship designs should keep to economic principles: cheap, agile and reliable.
And to some other parts he is also correct: Daumann made this huge trash cans, which fear all bombers. And ALG (we) are working on a solution to get the next generation of battleships.

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[tansytansey]

Ok, let's face it. The current Rhienland line-up of capital ships consists of fat, obese,

overweight, inefficient, slow junk.

I believe that is very in-RP with Rhienland. Germany's' artillery in WWII was finely crafted and powerful, however, because of their designs they were not cheap to build and couldn't be mass-produced as quickly.
Also, Rhienland caps are not inefficient. They just require a different kind of piloting than the faster, smaller capital ships.
Out of all the houses in Vanilla, Rhienland had the strongest LF and HF of all the houses. I believe now in Disco, the Wrath is one of the best fighters, also. They also have a powerful SHF and SHB as well as the Snubnose, one of the best bombers around.
Hum... slow capital ships... good fighter class vessels. Seems like kind of a hint... don't you think? Seems to me like Rhienland's military strategy is based more on fighter combat and anti-capital bombers than bringing in the big guns. So just maybe it will be OORP to add another capital ship to their line, when they seem to be leaning so heavily towards fighter class vessels.

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[Benjamin]

You'd assume they'd have switched more towards fighters and bombers after the 80 years war. Germany has traditionally been at the forefront of military tactics

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[Altaris]

Im for adding a light carrier equal to Liberty Dreadnought. Although adding more Cap ships into Rheinland side would be useless.

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