ADMIN NOTICE : OFFICIAL FACTION RIGHTS

[Sprolf]

But I guess this is the price you all get to pay to fix the problem.
Oh wait, what problem?
I almost forgot, nobody has even proven that there is a problem that this can fix, nor even remotely proven that it can fix it better than Admins taking badly behaving battleships away from their owners without restricting the freedoms of everyone else on the server.
Wow. Punish the guilty and let the innocent be free. What a concept.

If only steps that effective and drastic would ever actually be taken.
I have little faith that they could...

... but I've been proven wrong time and time again.

That's something I'd like to see happen yet again in this case.


In any case, and overall - well said, Xoria, well said indeed.
You've changed my opinion on this matter here.

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[Thexare]

nor even remotely proven that it can fix it better than Admins taking badly behaving battleships away from their owners without restricting the freedoms of everyone else on the server.

I'm pretty sure that a proposal for the admins to restrict them has come up multiple times, and been shot down every time including by some (most? maybe all?) of the admins.

Tell me this, however. How many admins regularly play in Omicron Alpha? Omicron Eta? Sigmas? Taus? Liberty? Kusari? Rheinland? Bretonia? Omegas? Omicron Gamma? Gallia?

Do you have a single hole in the above list? If you do, having the admins do it is just as flawed as having the players do it. Ultimately we're left with either flawed regulation or a lack of needed regulation.

I've seen enough stupidity in the Omicrons to be grateful for this change. Scimitars obliterated by battleships without a word, raids consisting of mostly capitals from both Outcasts and Corsairs. There are abuses, and I don't trust the admins to handle them any better than the regular players can - on top of having even more power to potentially abuse, you already have a larger workload (therefore, you're more prone to overlooking details and making mistakes) and few of you spend sufficient time in the areas with these problems to understand them.

You're no better than us, you just have more power because of a popularity contest.

Though I cannot speak for any other factions, if the Outcast Dons are suspected of abuse, all the admins have to do is contact me. I'll give the relevant Skype logs to the admins, whether I agree that it was abusive or not.

Would the admins do the same if their actions were considered suspect? That is of course a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

[Guest]

Read through only the first three pages, already raised some questions.

Who shall decide if the given repression against an indy by a faction leader is legitimate, for example, some idiots in NY, rogue gunboats, shooting up liberators, an unlawful faction comes in and washes their heads given they have the RP reason not to allow a massacre. How can they tell if this is legitimate, even if it prevents the harm to go to the server gameplay.

3) Once a faction achieves official status, they will receive their downpayment of $500 mill back. They will further receive a Cap 8 Armour Upgrade, once they have spent 3 months contributing meaningfully to server RP, for instance, via events and forum activity.

Will this apply to already existing factions as well or only the newly made ones after the rule is set into place?



Other than those two, I see no more questionable places, good work.


EDIT: Liberty Rogue players DO have a BS or two, even tho the ID restricts it they use the OC battleship or dreadnought with a OC guard ID, but a Liberty Rogue IFF. Since this ship is sold by the outcasts, do the Outcast faction hold responsibility related to Licensing or do the Rogues, because its the IFF it holds and the ZOI where this ship operates.

[n00bl3t]

You're no better than us, you just have more power because of a popularity contest.

Though I cannot speak for any other factions, if the Outcast Dons are suspected of abuse, all the admins have to do is contact me. I'll give the relevant Skype logs to the admins, whether I agree that it was abusive or not.

Would the admins do the same if their actions were considered suspect? That is of course a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

Oh, you mean official factions which come online once a week for an event or factions which only have one player on every three or so days are not official because of a popularity contest? (You are the same, except in most cases the Admins have more trust.)

Oh, and the Council of Don consists solely of factions. As such they cannot truly represent an independnet viewpoint and are inherently biased. (Oh the council also contains "dependent independents", people who pretty much are factionalised without a tag in-game.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Thexare]

(Oh the council also contains "dependent independents", people who pretty much are factionalised without a tag in-game.)

Which remark have I made that you're still sore about? My memory's not what it used to be.

[n00bl3t]

Which remark have I made that you're still sore about? My memory's not what it used to be.

Go through your posts yourself if you want. Personally, I put it down to your general bias, ignorance and brown-nosing.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Thexare]

Go through your posts yourself if you want. Personally, I put it down to your general bias

I don't like you, I admit that bias. And I also dislike a large number of other independents, especially after getting the Arrow I was setting up shot at by a destroyer and, later, a gunship for no reason whatsoever.

ignorance

I don't like being insulted, either.

and brown-nosing.

Do I need to dig through my logs and point out the times that I've told Eppy, Lohingren, Dab, and anyone else that they're being idiots? I've got a rather amusing one with Lohi, actually, I still don't know what he was on when he said Outcasts shouldn't pirate. But that's not the point.

It's not brown-nosing if I actually agree with them, though I'll forgive you for not knowing the difference. You don't often agree with anyone.

But, fine. You want a battleship? I don't like you. I've said that. There's a good chance no one on the Council likes you. But I'd still vote to give you a chance - and yes, you can note that if you want and hold me to it.

Seriously. Apply for one if you want.

As much as I dislike you, I don't think you'd go chasing Decurions and Sea Serpents in a Battleship. I know you RP when you're playing. That's all that I care about when people ask for a ship - if the person RPs and if the person will use the ship fairly. And if it makes sense in-character, but that's more for Freelancers wanting Outcast Gunships, not really relevant to this topic.

Everyone has a bias. You trust the admins to put theirs aside, apparently. They're not the only ones capable of it.

[kingvaillant]

Just a question before I finish. If a faction does not follow cannon RP, are they allowed to order independent characters to do something relating to non-cannon RP?

I would advise to speak to leaders first. Also, isn't there a special RP thing for such kind of players? Nevertheless, I've seen some players in Liberty using slightly different RP styles in game. I encourage them, as long as their methods are not detrimental to anyone else on the server (plays fair, RP well, respectful [the player, for the character, it is a different thing], etc).

So the line is simple, play fair, be nice, and we'll treat you the same way in return. Sure, I guess some of you are skeptics about leaders having so much powers in their hands. Quite normal, if I was a playing more as an unaffiliated player, I might feel the same way.

Main point is, I don't ask you to lick our shoes so we can give you your cake, nor do I want you to feel oppressed or hostile about us and attempt to "steal" the cake. One or the other, you will end up not getting what you wanted. If you feel distant to us, because of a question of power, you will be... by reflex... less favorable to develop ties with us, which, you know is not the way to go:(. We are in a game, where we all play to chill out and have fun. We are not in a war where we must make sure our allies don't stab us. We are a community, a family some may say. We are playing here to laugh and have good memories with good persons.

I accepted myself to do my best to put my personal grudges aside. Sure, there are some players who I don't like much their methods or their personality. But with some conditioning, I can put these personal issues aside and see the competences of the person, instead of just his personality. Some to who I would not hesitate to give them a BS, as long as they respect everyone around them and play with the best of them.

No, I don't ask you to become sheep, and us the Sheppard, that would end up letting you lick our shoes and god I hate that... If any of you think I have a thirst for power or any personal/egoist plans, please prove it. I respect those who have the guts to stand and oppose me publicly in a respectful way.


Also, I did not ask to have the rights to soooo much powers. I just wanted our guard system, bough from our money, to be under our total control and it be recognized. I also wanted us to be officially permitted to monitor the pvp of some troublesome indies and act against them to preserve balance. I'm somewhat surprised to see us able to decide who is allowed to fly a BS and who is not. Giving a lot of powers to a lot of persons who are just on one side of the fence can be dangerous if abused. Hence, I would have rather suspected the admins to ask players to form councils of indies and factions representatives to decide who, in the region they play, can properly fly a BS.

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Director of the Liberty Security Force: Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity

The Amundsen Zone-21 Restrictions

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I myself am glad to see that at least something is getting done to address some of the ongoing problems here. Now to sit and watch and see if it was the right decision. With out implementation, all we have is a "Monday morning quarterback" situation which will give the theorists out here months of debating time and racking up post counts. Lets see how it goes. IF it isn't right, change happens.

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Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station

[kingvaillant]

I myself am glad to see that at least something is getting done to address some of the ongoing problems here. Now to sit and watch and see if it was the right decision. With out implementation, all we have is a "Monday morning quarterback" situation which will give the theorists out here months of debating time and racking up post counts. Lets see how it goes. IF it isn't right, change happens.

Indeed, I myself, will not hesitate to revert or improve the modification to server rules if anything goes bad. It is sometime driving us in a dead-end to argue eternally without ever even attempting to do a prototype of the concept.


@Admins, how about calling this, modification, a prototype? For 2-3 months, it would be applied, and monitored by everyone. At the end of the decided time given, a final, and definitive decision could be made. (sure, a few things would have to be, delayed. For example, the 500 mil pay back - unless there is no opposition to the idea of repaying applicants)

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Director of the Liberty Security Force: Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity

The Amundsen Zone-21 Restrictions