Liberty high indie capship count

[Elvin]

I think the best solution to this would just be to allow official, approved factions to control all ships of their respective NPC faction larger than GBs. Would solve a lot of problems for all of us.

Hey hey, that's not the problem... Thread "Independent should be allowed to fly LF only" is nextdoors.

It's more about balance of Lib... and all other BC.

Why is it beloved ships class and overused? Well, it's the "largests-strongest" thing right after battleship class, yet price is rather nice. Who has the opinion (faction-wise) to get BC or Cruiser... usually goes for BC. Logically.

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[jimmy Patterson]

if the liberty cruisewr was a cruiser id get it but its a SEIGE CRUISER ie park it in an orbit and rain antimatter Death onto a planet ,why a house like liberty would need one is beyond me gunboats tow weak and the seige cruoisers not built for cap to cap and im not speionging damn near a billion credits(which i wont ever get with all the lolwut2millrdai pirates)

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[atlantis2112]

:mellow:

We are talking about high Liberty BC count and possible ships for other houses.

Go take your anti-independent attitude into your own independent-bashing thread. (Or one of Sindroms.)

ZING! Yes, please. I cant stand people that want "official" factions to rule over everyone else.

[JakeSG]

We are talking about high Liberty BC count and possible ships for other houses

Go take your anti-independent attitude into your own independent-bashing thread. (Or one of Sindroms.)

Hey hey, that's not the problem... Thread "Independent should be allowed to fly LF only" is nextdoors.

It's more about balance of Lib... and all other BC.

Why is it beloved ships class and overused? Well, it's the "largests-strongest" thing right after battleship class, yet price is rather nice. Who has the opinion (faction-wise) to get BC or Cruiser... usually goes for BC. Logically.

ZING! Yes, please. I cant stand people that want "official" factions to rule over everyone else.

You will find that he is not asking them to rule over anyone. Nor is he asking for them to have absolute control. He is not anti-indie, he is anti-idiot. There is a considerable difference between asking for a faction to be able to regulate the Capital Ships, thus reducing the number of those which end up in the hands of complete morons, and giving them complete control of everything that comes out of their Shipyards. Poor wording on his part.

Nooblet, you once said it was a violation of Freedom or some such. That's in the case of extremism, absolute freedom. Absolute freedom may seem like a good concept, you can shoot up on drugs without fear of the 'fuzz', you can have as many wives as you want, drive as fast as you want, yadda, yadda, yadda, but when somebody's 'popping a cap in yo' ass' and you suddenly realise he's going to get away with it because there's no laws to say he's doing something wrong, how are you going to feel then? Because until there's -some- kind of restriction put into place, that's exactly the same as the indies. They answer to nobody, and can effectively shoot whoever and whatever they want, provided they give a simple one line of text.

As to the Battlecruiser being 'strongest', Siege Cruisers tend to hurt them a lot more for their size. They have a forward gun and high strafing for something relatively large. If indies are choosing the Battlecruiser because of its size, then I guess that just enforces the point that some 'Indies are idiots'.

Edit - On re-reading my post, not all of it is entirely relevant, but I felt it necessary to say something against the 'anti-faction' people around here.

Edit 2 - Reworded a statement, covering my arse. You vultures will take everything word-for-word if it suits you.

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[Quorg]

You will find that he is not asking them to rule over anyone. Nor is he asking for them to have absolute control. He is not anti-indie, he is anti-idiot. There is a considerable difference between asking for a faction to be able to regulate the Capital Ships, thus reducing the number of those which end up in the hands of complete morons, and giving them complete control of everything that comes out of their Shipyards. Poor wording on his part.
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They answer to nobody, and can effectively shoot whoever and whatever they want, provided they give a simple one line of text.

Do you really think a faction-regulated system, given the power, will approve a one-line capital ship registration?

Of course not. Factions expect their players to be on for months if not years before moving on the the largest ships.

You can't really blame the factions- after all, they have put a lot of work into their RP and it's only logical that they should want the power to destroy anybody within the NPC faction who disagrees with them.

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The Midnight Express: A Slaver <strike>who doesn't completely realize what he's doing.</strike> (video)

Quorg, you're officially a moron.

...mongs like Quorg being like a malignant little cancer...

Way to be useless, Quorg.

[JakeSG]

Do you really think a faction-regulated system, given the power, will approve a one-line capital ship registration?

Of course not. Factions expect their players to be on for months if not years before moving on the the largest ships.

You can't really blame the factions- after all, they have put a lot of work into their RP and it's only logical that they should want the power to destroy anybody within the NPC faction who disagrees with them.

When did I mention one-line capital ship registration? I was implying one line engagement notices, if you're talking about what I think you are.

As for destroying people who disagree with us, that is not what the Navy, at least, do. No, we destroy people who do bad things. Repeatedly ganking/overkilling fights, camping unlawful bases etc. Those are the people we want to keep out of caps.

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[Chico]

We seem to be going a little off track so.....getting back to the ORIGINAL question of battlecruisers, I really don't see a requirement for every faction to have every different ship class in it's arsenal. I can't see some small outfit (Xeno, Unioner, Bundschuh, LWB, Gaians and some others) running around in anything bigger than a second rate cruiser. I can't see some of them in something even that big!
If you want to pilot a battlecruiser, your faction allegiance is limited to Liberty navy or Bounty hunter. (Did I miss any?)
The choice is fairly simple. You either choose a faction because it uses a specific ship type that you are desperate to fly or you choose a faction because you like the way you can play them.
Let me clarify 'faction'. I am referring to your ID, not the three digit thing before your name or 'clan'.

It has been written elsewhere that a BC can be taken down by a cruiser with a good pilot. Well, good luck to him I say! If the pilots are of equal skill, I know where I'd put my money.

Leave it as it is, maybe give the Brets a 'Shark' next time though. Something a little prettier huh?

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[JakeSG]

It has been written elsewhere that a BC can be taken down by a cruiser with a good pilot. Well, good luck to him I say! If the pilots are of equal skill, I know where I'd put my money.

For the record, the Liberty Siege Cruiser can put down a Battlecruiser with ease. Forward gun, small-ish size and high agility.

Edit - Seems I already said that. Oh well :/

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[n00bl3t]

Nooblet, you once said it was a violation of Freedom or some such. That's in the case of extremism, absolute freedom. Absolute freedom may seem like a good concept, you can shoot up on drugs without fear of the 'fuzz', you can have as many wives as you want, drive as fast as you want, yadda, yadda, yadda, but when somebody's 'popping a cap in yo' ass' and you suddenly realise he's going to get away with it because there's no laws to say he's doing something wrong, how are you going to feel then? Because until there's -some- kind of restriction put into place, that's exactly the same as the indies. They answer to nobody, and can effectively shoot whoever and whatever they want, provided they give a simple one line of text.

As to the Battlecruiser being 'strongest', Siege Cruisers tend to hurt them a lot more for their size. They have a forward gun and high strafing for something relatively large. If indies are choosing the Battlecruiser because of its size, then I guess that just enforces the point that some 'Indies are idiots'.

Edit - On re-reading my post, not all of it is entirely relevant, but I felt it necessary to say something against the 'anti-faction' people around here.

Edit 2 - Reworded a statement, covering my arse. You vultures will take everything word-for-word if it suits you.

I find it amusing that people point out that others relate faction leaders and faction control measures to Hitler and fascism. I find it even more amusing, when "the other side" brings up the anarchy of independent players, contained within a spaceship game and relates it to shooting up on drugs and speeding.

To cap off the laughter, the independents are restricted, by exactly the same things the factions are restricted by. It is universal and equal. We call them the server rules. Everyone answers to them. (At least, they should.)

As for the inevitable anti-climax, which can only be brought about by such gargantuan ignorance, to make such stupidity seem humourless, how am I anti-faction, considering, I am in more factions than you are JakeSG?

Yes, I twisted your words to make this post. It suited me. Just like it would suit anyone else, any other day of the week.

Edit: You can take the LNS Nebraska off your list by the way. (At least some humour is retained in the fact that the ship is older than you are.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[JakeSG]

Rather predictable response, although I hadn't expected you to bring a thesaurus this time.

I find it amusing that people point out that others relate faction leaders and faction control measures to Hitler and fascism. I find it even more amusing, when "the other side" brings up the anarchy of independent players, contained within a spaceship game and relates it to shooting up on drugs and speeding.

That's in the case of extremism

So... You're saying you're allowed to demand absolute freedom for anyone who wants it and point 'flaws' in relatively minor restrictions, accusing us of wanting absolute control, but we're not allowed to point out the major, evident and pre-existing flaws through metaphor?
[1:32:37 PM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn] says: Hypocrite.

To cap off the laughter, the independents are restricted, by exactly the same things the factions are restricted by. It is universal and equal. We call them the server rules. Everyone answers to them. (At least, they should.)

No. Faction players are additionally restricted by hierarchy, peer pressure and good ol' Trial By Forum. Usually at least somebody in one of those three has at least the common sense to make sure they don't do something incredibly stupid and detrimental to 'fair play'.

As for the inevitable anti-climax, which can only be brought about by such gargantuan ignorance, to make such stupidity seem humourless, how am I anti-faction, considering, I am in more factions than you are JakeSG?

You are anti-faction by the same means that you magically manage define anyone who wants even the slightest limitations to be imposed upon independents as 'anti-indie'. Despite the, once more, hypocrisy evident here, I find some humour in the fact that you need to use my full name to attempt to attain some superiority over me. And that's what we factions are attempting to do with indies, isn't it? Guess that makes you, once more, a hypocrite.

I can twist words too, as I have done here. In most circumstances I just find it to be child play, however it seems to be fitting here.

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