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This auto rep thing sucks
Offline worldstrider
07-27-2009, 05:17 AM,
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' Wrote:Not in gallia, patience has nothing to do with it. The proper bribes are not there.

I have repeatedly got them all: civilian shippers, house military and criminal at several different bases. The only thing I can guess is if you have an attrociously red rep with a particular faction, its bribe might not show. They are on the Junker bases--I believe all of them.

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Offline Cannon
07-27-2009, 05:20 AM,
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I direct you to http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42895

Just to clear something up, most of the balancing in the rep system is not actually decided by me - there's no need to apologise to me if you disagree with it.

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Offline tazuras
07-27-2009, 05:21 AM,
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' Wrote:Not in gallia, patience has nothing to do with it. The proper bribes are not there.

Yes they are, just look at the ini files, trust me, they are there.

Honestly i dont think lawful gallic bribes should have a high percentage at gallic bases, they arent terribly lawful in gallia, just a little less unlawful then in Sirrius, in general that is.

As for the auto rep, I dont fly around with my junker in kusari space so i cant really comment on that, but junkers should not be auto neutralled with gallic lawfuls. As far as my understanding goes the auto rep currently makes no positive adjustments and i think it should stay that way, at least for now.

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Offline worldstrider
07-27-2009, 05:34 AM,
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' Wrote:Yes they are, just look at the ini files, trust me, they are there.

Honestly i dont think lawful gallic bribes should have a high percentage at gallic bases, they arent terribly lawful in gallia, just a little less unlawful then in Sirrius, in general that is.

As for the auto rep, I dont fly around with my junker in kusari space so i cant really comment on that, but junkers should not be auto neutralled with gallic lawfuls. As far as my understanding goes the auto rep currently makes no positive adjustments and i think it should stay that way, at least for now.

It's not the rep ninja its the lopsided rep Junkers begin with in Gallia--its a little awkward and random I think. Some shippers ok, police not, council not, etc. I haven't microanalyzed it just patched it and not worried a lot over it. not to difficult to fix--though nearly all of mine were done in the day where there were no bribes. Bribes make it a lot simpler and faster.

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Offline BaconSoda
07-27-2009, 06:27 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-27-2009, 06:40 AM by BaconSoda.)
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' Wrote:The Kusari "government"--a.k.a. "players"--are predominantly criminal and have shaped Kusari politics along the lines they like. The developers have allowed their RP to determine the RP for all of Kusari and the development has been increasing hostility to Junkers finally brimming over to governmental declaration of them as "state criminals". Take advantage of it and play to the strengths for Junkers in it (there are some).

Now, I take great offense to this. The Kusari Government didn't have a hand in the implementation of the Rep-Ninja. One player suggested the spark of that thread to the Junkers in the chat we have to ensure that things don't get personal, and it was debated over hotly. In fact, nothing at all was said about anything regarding Junkers in the Kusari Government in the past year. This was simply the best solution that was reached by both Kusari Semi-lawfuls and Junkers to solve the number of independent Junkers who were docking on lawful Kusari bases, which their ID prohibited.

Now, the question comes up as to why the Junkers are restricted from landing on lawful Kusari bases. Think about this one for a second:

Kusari is saturated with Hogosha propaganda. Even if Samura were surpassed by Kishiro, Hogosha influence would remain. The Hogosha are engaged in a secret underground war with the Junkers. Do you think their propaganda towards them would make people buy from Junkers? Foreigners, as a general rule, are untrusted, but Junkers are a step below normal foreigners in Kusari society. Only a desperate, crazy Kusari or a blatantly rebellious Kusari (*Cough GC *Cough*) would buy from a Junker. Any sensible Kusari would be either afraid of dishonor or a visit from the Hogosha. In reality, the Hogosha could not do anything about it, but the fear is there, even in fairly-liberal Honshu. Furthermore, can any Kusari really trust a Junker and his goods? From what they know, anything a Junker brings will be detrimental to Kusari culture and destroy the delicate lives they live. Such is the culture in Kusari and it is so incredibly permeated by propaganda to keep it that way.

Now, this sentiment did not come from the Kusari Government, as far as I can tell. If anyone, it might have come from myself in the ID thread, however, that was a while ago and I cannot find the thread using search. Even if it did originate with me, it was shared by a large opponent of mine, Kuraine, who designed the IDs. It wasn't a Kusari Lawful/Semi-lawful who put this into place, but rather the leader of the GC. I find that thought quite comforting, actually.

I do agree with the end of that statement, though. Use it to your advantage. Junkers are devious. Somehow, I think that unlawful Kusari and the Taus have a greater audience for you. Jump Holes are your friends. :)

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Offline Monk
07-27-2009, 06:39 AM,
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The rep with gallic lawfuls is a bit annoying. Though, non-gallic Junkers, I think, should be hostile with all of Gallia seeing that they don't really belong there yet. Besides, a few missions at Lixhiem fixes that right up and there are EFL bribes there too. Being hostile with KNF is really annoying but is easily avoidable in the Taus if you just circumvent the battleships and Junkers shouldn't really be in Kusari unless they are looking to make a strike at the Hogosha, which, IMO, is sorta impossible due to the strong KNF defense at the borders.

All that aside, I feel that the KNF shouldn't be hostile to Junkers. I wouldn't think the emperor wouldn't want to make his ties to an illegal force so obvious. For example, Chicago PD sorta ignores The Outfit until one starry eyed DA puts their focus on them. They let them do their "business" but DOES crack down on them from time to time. I would like to see Kusari adopt this same mentality.
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Offline Hawkwings
07-27-2009, 06:51 AM,
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The Hogosha are not a criminal group in Kusari. They are a society of nationalists, looking out for the best interests of Kusari (in their opinion). They are firmly entrenched in Kusari society and are a fact of life. They are very influential, and have members in the highest ranks of every Kusari organization (Yes, even Kishiro).

And yes, there are those wayward low-level Hogosha that flaunt their name and go around defying the laws and whatnot. That's when the police arrest them and toss 'em in a jail cell for a couple months to think about what they've done. This information all comes from infocards by the way.

It's not that the KNF and KSP don't know that the Hogosha are engaging in criminal activities. It's that they know the Hogosha are looking out for Kusari first, and waging a black war against foreign threats, especially those of a criminal nature. And you must remember that it is not a noe-way relationship. The Kusari organizations have some influence on the Hogosha as well, and use the Hogosha for their own benefit. Notably, the KNF and KSP rely on them to keep the borders of Kusari from being penetrated by outside criminals, not to mention cardamine.

After all, it is far better to have "criminals" that share pretty much all your ideas, and whose bosses you can sit down to a nice dinner with and say "You know, your movement of black market ammunition is really up lately, we would appreciate it is you toned it down a bit, or at least told your freighters to be more discreet."

And the response? "Of course, we wouldn't want hard questions to be asked by those who might be watching. I will speak to my people. Oh, and don't worry about the dinner bill, I've got it covered."

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Offline worldstrider
07-27-2009, 06:58 AM,
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' Wrote:Now, I take great offense to this.

Try not to.

My point was that the Kusari players there are all pretty much the same ones--same player behind police and unlawfuls and the unlawful side has nudged things to the current state. These players have been there a long while so their input had an impact on how Kusari is officially seen in rp and the trend was just "Gaijin go and Junkers hell no!".

I already had red reps to police and navy as it seemed apppropriate in the new mod. No problem for me. My only beef was when the house shippers were thrown in too. In Kusari it would be fine but not New York and elsewhere. All is full of love.

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Offline Hawkwings
07-27-2009, 07:14 AM,
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Well it's certainly no great leap of logic to go "Hogosha hate junkers, hogosha have great influence in Kusari politics, Junkers are outsiders and associated with criminal activities, therefore we don't like junkers and we want them to get out."

Also, how is playing both sides of the lawful/unlawful divide any different in Kusari than it is in other houses?

In addition, why wouldn't House shippers look badly on Junkers? Not only are Junkers competition, they're associated with criminals everywhere, which are definitely bad for business.

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Offline worldstrider
07-27-2009, 07:16 AM,
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' Wrote:Well it's certainly no great leap of logic to go "Hogosha hate junkers, hogosha have great influence in Kusari politics, Junkers are outsiders and associated with criminal activities, therefore we don't like junkers and we want them to get out."

Also, how is playing both sides of the lawful/unlawful divide any different in Kusari than it is in other houses?

In addition, why wouldn't House shippers look badly on Junkers? Not only are Junkers competition, they're associated with criminals everywhere, which are definitely bad for business.


Please note-- I was explaining how it happened and why it isn't the rep ninja's fault.

I like Kusari being angry on Junkers and don't have a problem with it at all--good opportunities.

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