Quote:"the zoners are openly allied to the corsairs and the terrorist group known as the order.
they are openly letting corsairs base of the freeport in omega three. they support a sizable population of corsairs on planet sidney. and they openly send supplys to unlawfuls that the proud people of bretonia are trying to combat."
I tried to look through the RP Forum section for any non-Zoner threads talking about food shipments to unlawfuls. I tried to look for any Zoner threads "openly" talking about shipping food to unlawfuls. My question is this: Did you read private roleplayed threads on the forum to discover this information and if so, did you use that to create and participate in the Zoner Bounty event?
I am asking this because the player known as Malaclypse666, who dedicated three years of his life participating on the server and developing such sub communities as the TAZ, Council of Zoners, SHIZL, and shaping the overall Zoner player base into a relatively disciplined, well manared group of players --- has announced his departure from the Discovery Server on the account of metagaming.
The Zoner Bounty may be what some of you consider "legitimate roleplay," but I see it as an inconsiderate act. Yes, some roleplay requires you to be a pirate or a killer, but you have to do it with certain consideration in mind. You have to be clear about it and sometimes, YES, you have to contact players out of character BEFORE you begin an RP event. You don't have to do it EVERY time, but for something like this, I think it would have helped. Let me explain:
A topic is opened about a bounty on Zoners that is given to lawfuls. The bounty included payment on killed traders -- an unlawful act. QCP, an unlawful faction is participating in a bounty given only to lawfuls. The topic states a number of facts that should only be known to Zoners and the people they deal with. Myself and my fellow mate, Charles Burns enter O-49 in order to engage in verbal RP with the QCP there. We are shot on sight without being able to type a single word.
Is this "legitimate roleplay?" I suppose, but it is inconsiderate and when a person like Mal leaves the server due to it, you have to ponder if you overstepped your bounds or not. If you want to roleplay a bully, do so. But you have to do it without upsetting the players. Or at least TRY not to upset other players. Because in the end, if we ALL do not try to have fun together, none of us will.
When I was organizing a simply h-fuel convoy, I contacted GMG, OSI, and TAZ players out of character before proceeding with making announcements in Diplomatic Matters. It was a simple, "hey, I have an RP idea and I want to know if you guys are OK with me opening this thread in the Diplomatic Matters section." And that's a tiny roleplaying act compared to having a bunch of players IFFed as "Bretonian Armed Forces" barging into O-49 and pirating and killing everything in sight. The least you could have done is contacted Zoner player leaders and talked to them about such a thing like that.
You're probably thinking, "why the hell do I have to do that for every RP event I want to make?" No, you're right. You don't have to do anything. But if you've been RPing as a lawful faction with no tension between Zoners, and one day you bust into their turf and start killing them, then perhaps it wouldn't have hurt to at least DISCUSS it with the players before you decided to turn your RP 180 degrees.
P.S. I apologize for opening this thread in the wrong forum section.
Mate, you ignored almost all of what I was aiming at in my post.
When Charles Burns and I arrived on the scene, I saw 4 QCP characters talking about collecting bounty heads (which is what this thread is about) and firing on the two of us before we could engage in roleplay. WE didn't shoot at anyone first.
And that's beside the point. I am overall talking about the Bounty in general.
It's their system, who gives a frack if they shot you for trespassing with clearly hostile intent.
Stay the hell off my doorstep and I wont put a shotgun shell in your face, that's generally how things go out in the ass-end of the universe.
Bretonians had no business being out there in the first place, you have to pass through one or more systems you have no influence in to get to 49, and the privateers should be sticking to the tau systems anyhow.
All I see here is metagaming. Even if it was widely known that zoners (among others) provide food to the corsairs... who cares? Any lawful organization should have no problem with people not starving to death, even if those people have a military that they're hostile to. There are still rules to war, and you dont annihilate civilians for no reason other than to get at the real enemy.
And, if you hadnt noticed, EVERY faction in Sirius has, or has had, members on freeports across the galaxy at one point or another. They're called freeports for a reason. The Zoners are obviously better men than you, as they dont discriminate about who they give safe haven to, as long as nobody fires a shot near their stations.
This whole thing is a giant circlejerk initiated by the QCP because they didnt have enough KNF to shoot. You should have picked someone other than the zoners to try and violate, because I hope they come down on you with every juggernaut on the server for this.
Expecting militaries to abide by No Fire Zones is aiding and abetting criminals. Letting criminals sleep on your bases is doing the same.
The lawful militaries have no men on Freeports. They gain nothing by following Zoner rules. Allowing murderers, in our roleplay eyes, to hide behind your skirts, and launch thermonuclear attacks on Planet Cork when launching from your bases is not 'being the better man' and not being 'discriminating'.
Also @ Tenacity: We were there to shoot Corsairs. Ask the half dozen dead Corsairs. You know, those Hispanic gentlemen that have a little thing against our Bretonian nation.
Anyway, it's popular knowledge that Corsairs dock on Freeport One, and Corsairs are a common sight in Omega 49. When they yell that you can't shoot them due to no fire zones, well... it makes you stop and think.
This is an online shooter. If you leave the community over getting shot up... well... What surprises me here is that people decide to go on about this in the OORP sections of the forum (or better yet, make long posts about how they are leaving because they got shot at in an online shooter), instead of taking RP action. It's just horrible frankly.
Zoners get pirated and shot up every day, mainly due to the amount of abuse their ID recieves. Someone decides to post a bounty (a little sudden, I agree, but that shouldn't stop you from seeing it through) which a band of (for all you know) random pirates decides to claim. Now how is that any different from piracy, aside from the fact that there is forum RP involved, in addition to ingame RP? Is it so bloody different, that we need to now have page long whining posts about it and people need to start dramatically leaving? I recall a similar incident happening recently, which involved Corsairs who dared shoot back at Zoner "NFZ guards", a situation that quickly escalated to OPG destroying three TAZ cruisers. Of course during the course of that you also had the Zoners complaining: "how dare they shoot at us, how dare they metagame our RP, we are neutral!". If you are neutral, then some parties will know that just as you lack defined enemies, you also lack friends. Thus - prepare to get shot up by space bullies. And you so happen to especially associate with the biggest pack of space bullies around: Corsairs. Why complain then?
Trying to force people into submission by OORP whine saying they metagame your RP... no, it's the other way around. You metagame their by telling them that they can't shoot you because they just can't. Every such incident is metagaming, and if all you people roleplaying Zoners can't figure it out that you need to in RP work for respect from other characters, groups, organisations and houses, then Zoner RP truly is worthless.
So to say the least I find your arguments uncompelling, even though I was not the one to set the bounty, nor was any member of the QCP.
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