Enough nerfing - give us back some decent ships

[Jinx]

thats wrong - both can fly of an impulse speed of 89/90

but the osiris has a higher reverse thrust to keep kiting

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[n1kodemus]

There's been so much whining of unbalance in the last few weeks.
I don't know whether to cry or laugh, it's just plain horrible.

Grown up people complaining like little children over a game because they lost a few PvP fights.
IMHO it wouldn't be very RPish to have every single thing equal in this mod.

Some factions have better technology, some doesn't.
Some factions are better ship builders, some aren't.
That's realistic.

Roleplay is the main factor in this server, get over it already.

[Tenacity]

No, contrary to what you may think.

It 'was' state of the art, supreme technology warship about... 18 years ago inRP.
And in the super advanced time, such as Discoverys timeline, a lot of technological progress can be made in 18 years.

So did the order decide to quite advancing it's technology in the past 18 years as well? The Osiris has evolved, just like any other shipline.

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[Tic]

Just because Mako is shorter doesn't mean it's more agile, because it is not.
If you mount Cerbs it won't matter because even though you'll be able to do more DPS, but you'll get to take out about 1/3 to 2/4 before you use up your power and are left to slow and miserable death as Osiris tears you to shreads.
If people would mount RH turrets on it there would be a lot of complaining about how BH's don't use their guns. Personally, i use a mix of Cerbs and Basic BS turrets on my Mako because they are better then the BHG turrets, since they do only a bit less damage but save up a good deal of energy, and Cerbs do rather good in fleet battles..

[NonSequitor]

There's been so much whining of unbalance in the last few weeks.
I don't know whether to cry or laugh, it's just plain horrible.

Grown up people complaining like little children over a game because they lost a few PvP fights.
IMHO it wouldn't be very RPish to have every single thing equal in this mod.

Some factions have better technology, some doesn't.
Some factions are better ship builders, some aren't.
That's realistic.

Roleplay is the main factor in this server, get over it already.

You're right, to a point. Having all the ships totally equal to their counterparts would be a bore. As an example, the Order is technically further along than the BH. Not by light years, but enough to make a difference in some situations. The Osiris and Mako are about even in overall performance. The Osiris is slightly better, but that reflects game canon.

However, it's over simplistic to say that players are whining because they keep losing pvp fights. There are real problems with the BH BS's hitbox. When you miss the Mako's visible hull but "hit" its invisible hit box, it can be a deciding factor in a fight. In fleet engagements, the Mako is the hunters' only heavy hitter, since Bullheads (BC) get vaped by Gebs (light carriers) disturbingly easily. Thus all the talk about the Mako's deficiencies.

Pvp is a part of roleplay on this server - more so for some factions.

[airage]

There's been so much whining of unbalance in the last few weeks.
I don't know whether to cry or laugh, it's just plain horrible.

Grown up people complaining like little children over a game because they lost a few PvP fights.
IMHO it wouldn't be very RPish to have every single thing equal in this mod.

Some factions have better technology, some doesn't.
Some factions are better ship builders, some aren't.
That's realistic.

Roleplay is the main factor in this server, get over it already.

Well iKone nicely said. I agree with you, it is the RP that is important and there wouldn't be any point of playing if every "race" is equal.;)

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[NonSequitor]

Just because Mako is shorter doesn't mean it's more agile, because it is not.
If you mount Cerbs it won't matter because even though you'll be able to do more DPS, but you'll get to take out about 1/3 to 2/4 before you use up your power and are left to slow and miserable death as Osiris tears you to shreads.
If people would mount RH turrets on it there would be a lot of complaining about how BH's don't use their guns. Personally, i use a mix of Cerbs and Basic BS turrets on my Mako because they are better then the BHG turrets, since they do only a bit less damage but save up a good deal of energy, and Cerbs do rather good in fleet battles..

At least one indie Mako uses all Rheinlander turrets for the reasons stated above. They have a nice dps/energy usage ratio. But yes, it's still strikes me as a cheesy loadout.

Cerbs are a mixed blessing. Wicked damage output, but they drain like no tomorrow and are as slow as a lame tree sloth (650 m/s). I've tried on the Mako and Osiris and I don't care for them. They work a lot better on the BSes that have 9 million power output.

I think I brought up the lackluster damage output of the BH turrets a long time ago, but that thread went no where. You would think that an organization stuck in the middle of a war zone would have gear, that is designed for the rigors of the surrounding environment.

[Dashiell]

If we are gonna drag canon in in the equation...

Order has limited recources. trouble with funds. BHG is filthy rich and has all kinds off different house engineers on its payrole. next to that, the Core is reverse engeneering Nomad tech. who would have the better means to build a good ship?

just now, I was witness to the BHG caps shortcomings once more. 4 Makos , a Bullhead and a Thresher were obliterated (there is no other word for it) by 2 ossies and a Reseph. not 1 Order ship went down. the Makos had pretty powerfull cap armor upgrades, varying from 6 to 8. now, even the most keyboard challenged ape should have been able to a least kill a single Osiris with that force, despite the fire they took? nope. they went down with a grand totall of zero kills. 1 Ossie was at pixel health.

I won`t even get into the "mount full cerbs" argument.

fact is, BHG weapons are like Meggiddo mentioned, useless. they hold no candle to their direct rivals. no wonder people resort to loadouts that avoid BHG weaponry like the plague (myself included, I`m sad to say)

people like to profess their love for fairplay. but when a serious issue is addressed, and people see that their "enemy faction" asks for a slight buff/de-bugging, all hell brakes loose. it`s not like it is being requested that BHG ships get 5 extra turrents, super agility or a 1000000000 powerplant.

is it too much to ask to level the playing field?

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[atlantis2112]

There's been so much whining of unbalance in the last few weeks.
I don't know whether to cry or laugh, it's just plain horrible.

Grown up people complaining like little children over a game because they lost a few PvP fights.
IMHO it wouldn't be very RPish to have every single thing equal in this mod.

Some factions have better technology, some doesn't.
Some factions are better ship builders, some aren't.
That's realistic.

Roleplay is the main factor in this server, get over it already.

But.. but my capship keeps getting pwnd by bombers! /sadface.

No seriously. /Signed iKone.

[globalplayer-svk]

Hm,where i readed in this thread that bh players will not the best cap ships?
Osiris can beat mako,mako can beat corsair dread (yes it can when you know how to use it) so can corsairs scream they will better cap ship as hunters? Will you like it?

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