Quote: If you like the pew pew standard that exists in Liberty, fine that's about all you'll get. Role play is a two way street. Right now I'm getting the impression I'm driving down a one-way street with Liberty driving the wrong way.
Right...
So what about my posts wasnt in roleplay?
We all try our best to roleplay, and seeing lines like this is just like being spat at in the face. Of course, we're used to it, and I actually dont care too much after being likened to non-RPing players every few days or so.
I set out the law so that all of us could deal with in exactly our own way the ridiculous pirates we get. You say that its purely our fault? Well, the laws wouldn't be so tight if there were less pirates around. As it stands, its anarchy in California and New York on a daily basis.
You want to know why we want to kill pirates quickly? So they dont waste our time, so we can deal with the two other simultaneous emergencies at the time. Talk is all well and good, but it is in roleplay to reply with guns if you're a pirate, which your character is. I passed this admittedly very intrusive set of laws by the LPI- and =LSF=, as well as the [LN]'s own HC structure, and none of them had any objections to it, for the reasons that I've already given.
What made you think you could hang around in 'apparently' the safest civilian system in Sirius without getting shot, when -so many- others have the same ID/Tag combo as you do, and turn out to be hostile? I tried getting from Connecticut to Virginia twice in my Guardian, and I couldn't simply because you're very lucky to go through three lanes in Liberty without encountering a pirate of some kind. Think about the experiences of our characters whilst flying through Liberty. Why should we be obliged to spend an exorbitant amount of time ingame chatting with your character about getting attacked while three traders lose money/die and the rest of Liberty burns? Isn't it a bit selfish to expect that?
We cant treat everyone with a blank slate at the end of the day, and we don't.
With the amount of piracy on the go, you can bet the entire place would be at least trying to clear them out. Making an example of some enterprising criminals. What makes you think you wouldn't be that example, hypothetically speaking (since you're not).
Look, if you want a clean slate and a good, relaxing roleplay interaction, the anarchic Liberty really isnt the place to attempt it unless you are ready to defend yourself and possibly not hang around the Capital system of the most powerful of the four original houses.
Im a bit frustrated, it has to be said, but I dont mean to sound like Im attacking you here. It's just what happens, but you dont need to listen as you've already stated that you wont. This is more for the benefit of those that will.
' Wrote:When exactly, did I say you couldn't? Please quote me.
// You had the opportunity to respond to me in character and chose not to. Your loss.
Quote:I'm seeing the word "Zeltak" here followed by an insult regarding the level of my creativity. Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that called a "Personal Attack" aye?
// What you're missing is that I said "I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play." I did NOT say "I'm giving Zeltak a chance to role play." There's quite a difference as to the subject and verb in that statement. I was speaking TO you ABOUT Liberty. Subject was Liberty and NOT Zeltak. If you don't understand basic grammar, I can't help you.
Quote:I said you attacked the [LN] faction and I defended against your accusations. Seems perfectly fine with me, never stated it was personal.
// Either way, I don't see much role play beyond "Red is Dead" here. You justify an attack on me for one reason, I am red. You ignore ALL circumstances leading up to my vessel's destruction (which is role play) and concentrate on who and what I am (which is Red, Green or White on radar or ID). And it doesn't matter what I say because you've got the faction protection society at work here.
Quote:I'm not exactly following here... When did I state I didn't desire feedback? When did I state I didn't desire both positive and negative feedback. Could you please quote me where I stated that? Thanks.
It's implied Zeltak. I give you negative feedback and you attack me because I provide it. You don't have to specifically SAY that you do not want it. Your disinterest in what I've said is enough. You know sometimes actions speak louder than words.
Quote:Don't worry, I can take negative feedback but you are just assuming I'm not.
Taking negative feedback and processing it internally (ie: taking it seriously) are two considerably different things. You may be able to "take" feedback. But can you "process it internally?"
' Wrote:// You had the opportunity to respond to me in character and chose not to. Your loss.
Indeed and I already gave you an answer as to why I didn't respond in Role-Play. Nobody's loss except yours.
' Wrote:// What you're missing is that I said "I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play." I did NOT say "I'm giving Zeltak a chance to role play." There's quite a difference as to the subject and verb in that statement. I was speaking TO you ABOUT Liberty. Subject was Liberty and NOT Zeltak. If you don't understand basic grammar, I can't help you.
I'm afraid you are the one lacking knowledge of basic grammar. Clearly when you are writing exactly this:
' Wrote:// Well Zeltak ... I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play an event here. You can either play along or not. That's entirely up to you. If you say no. Fine ... then I guess you're limits of creativity have been reached.
You are in one way or another referring to me personally and insulting my level of creativity. You do not only mention by my forum handle (personally referring to me) but you are also stating "I guess YOU'RE..." (meaning me). Basic knowledge of the English language suggests a "personal attack".
' Wrote:// Either way, I don't see much role play beyond "Red is Dead" here. You justify an attack on me for one reason, I am red. You ignore ALL circumstances leading up to my vessel's destruction (which is role play) and concentrate on who and what I am (which is Red, Green or White on radar or ID). And it doesn't matter what I say because you've got the faction protection society at work here.
Completely false. I as well as any other [LN] member never go by the principle "Red is Dead". I justify an attack by this standard USUALLY:
My character spots a criminal under the act of illegal activity --> Fine and warrant for arrest. Criminal refuses demand --> Deadly force.
My character spots a criminal who is just "being around" --> Questioning, possible arrest due to the criminal belonging to known criminal group --> Criminal refuses demand --> Deadly force.
Of course exceptions can be made. For example just this other day an Xeno (who is "Red on scanners" - referring to your "Red is Dead" accusation - and hostile according to rep sheet) was not arrested nevertheless shoot upon because said pilot was not found doing anything illegal at all.
' Wrote:It's implied Zeltak. I give you negative feedback and you attack me because I provide it. You don't have to specifically SAY that you do not want it. Your disinterest in what I've said is enough. You know sometimes actions speak louder than words.
Erm sorry? I defended against your accusations on the [LN] which I found to be completely false. I have the right to do so, it does not in any shape or form imply that I do not wish to receive negative feedback. You are twisting this around to your interest.
' Wrote:Taking negative feedback and processing it internally (ie: taking it seriously) are two considerably different things. You may be able to "take" feedback. But can you "process it internally?"
I believe I'm handling your "negative feedback" rather well if you ask me. How people think of my performance is up to them. No point in arguing on that point.
@ Zeltak: The word "you" is both singular and plural. You can refer to an individual, such as "you, Zeltak." Or it can refer to a group, such as "you, Liberty." In my case, I was referring to "you, Liberty." But if you choose to take me out of context, then it is your problem not mine.
' Wrote:@ Zeltak: The word "you" is both singular and plural. You can refer to an individual, such as "you, Zeltak." Or it can refer to a group, such as "you, Liberty." In my case, I was referring to "you, Liberty." But if you choose to take me out of context, then it is your problem not mine.
' Wrote:// Well Zeltak ... I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play an event here. You can either play along or not. That's entirely up to you. If you say no. Fine ... then I guess you're limits of creativity have been reached.
Haha, nice try pal. I'm not taking anything out of context, you are clearly referring to me but I'm not going to get into a debate with you on the English grammar nevertheless the fact that you performed a personal attack in an attempt to strengthen your arguments/complaints/accusations. I just find it hilarious that you are backing away from it now when I deducted it.
Anyways that particular debate is irrelevant compared to your accusations against the [LN] faction performing a principle of "Red is Dead." And as I try defend against it stating that such a claim is false, you then proceed to call me out for dismissing any kind of negative feedback. Really, you are either completely ignorant or you are desperately trying to cling on that rope called "I'm right, you are wrong".
Since there's a few here that cannot put away their microscopic lenses to see the big picture here and who have the tendency to attack me on semantics instead of substance, I guess I'm wasting my time providing input.
You guys are all on ultra-defense mode. Whatever I say is reversed on me with the justification that my character is unlawful. I've come to the conclusion you don't want feedback unless its from fellow lawfuls or presented where you look good in the light.
Since there's a few here that cannot put away their microscopic lenses to see the big picture here and who have the tendency to attack me on semantics instead of substance, I guess I'm wasting my time providing input.
You guys are all on ultra-defense mode. Whatever I say is reversed on me with the justification that my character is unlawful. I've come to the conclusion you don't want feedback unless its from fellow lawfuls or presented where you look good in the light.
I honestly don't know what else to say.
How ironic is it not that you are talking about yourself here. I agree that you should leave this feedback thread alone on this particular subject seeing as there is no hope in reasoning with you.
' Wrote:Haha, nice try pal. I'm not taking anything out of context, you are clearly referring to me but I'm not going to get into a debate with you on the English grammar nevertheless the fact that you performed a personal attack in an attempt to strengthen your arguments/complaints/accusations. I just find it hilarious that you are backing away from it now when I deducted it.
Quote:// Well Zeltak ... I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play an event here. You can either play along or not. That's entirely up to you. If you say no. Fine ... then I guess you're limits of creativity have been reached.
Anyways that particular debate is irrelevant to your accusations against the [LN] faction performing a principle of "Red is Dead."
Read slower. And read the whole statement.
"Well Zeltak" is to let you know I am speaking TO you.
"I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play an event here." Notice Liberty is the subject of this statement. Not talking about giving Zeltak a chance here.
"You can either play along or not." You here refers back to the subject, which is Liberty.
"That's entirely up to you." Again refers to the subject, Liberty.
"If you say no." You refers to Liberty.
"Fine ... then I guess you're limits of creativity have been reached." I have not changed the subject. Its still Liberty.
Now refer to the post I made just before this one. You know, the one where I mention stop arguing semantics and start arguing substance. How bout it?
' Wrote:Anyways that particular debate is irrelevant to your accusations against the [LN] faction performing a principle of "Red is Dead."
Read slower. And read the whole statement.
"Well Zeltak" is to let you know I am speaking TO you.
"I'm giving Liberty a chance to role play an event here." Notice Liberty is the subject of this statement. Not talking about giving Zeltak a chance here.
"You can either play along or not." You here refers back to the subject, which is Liberty.
"That's entirely up to you." Again refers to the subject, Liberty.
"If you say no." You refers to Liberty.
"Fine ... then I guess you're limits of creativity have been reached." I have not changed the subject. Its still Liberty.
I'm reading it veeeeery slowly now, and I'm seeing the same thing. You are referring to me.
' Wrote:You know, the one where I mention stop arguing semantics and start arguing substance. How bout it?