Better link it on the nomad canon, if it isnt already. I only found the nomad lore document on the forum.
Anyhow... the lore says they were in other places than Sirius too. And the video was taken out of the original game release, so they probably took that event out of the nomad history as written by that guy altogether (if they didnt he would certainly have mentioned it). And if they were able to time travel, they wouldnt have chosen that particular moment to blow up the sun.
It was cut because it no longer fit with the actual storyline that existed by the time Freelancer had been "finished" at Microsoft's push.
Therefore, we have problems trying to make it canon now.
You need to be inventive to make things work together, and declaring that there's more than one species leaves more holes than it fixes. Time travel is wacky and I understand a lot of people aren't fans, but it explains basically everything and makes perfect sense in a cliched sort of way. (But, Freelancer is built off of cliches.) It doesn't really matter, I imagine, I'm just very displeased with the whole idea of "There are more species," because that makes no sense at all.
Heck, I embrace the time-travel theory over it.
That must show you something....
Let's now calculate the likelihood of finding purple humans in Alpha Centauri who committed genocide to a strange tree-dwelling pygmy race and made us look bad.
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Boss Wrote:This isn't Flood. Useful posts, please.
' Wrote:I'd assumed that was part of the Lore, my bad.
That was written by Chris "7Crows" Todd, the guy behind most of the concepts of Freelancer. It's available off of his site, his name and nickname should find it via Google for you easily enough...
The concepts in that document have been incorporated into the Lore as best we could.
Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
Yes, it does. Someone remind me on Skype to put a link in the Lore.
Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
Two years ago (and a half, I guess), that document was Lore. "Go read the lore," they'd say, "Link." Two years ago, the extended intro was canon, and the Document was infallible truthy fluff, giving some extra detail. Now it's apparently what the Keepers have written.
No wonder I've been confused about this whole discussion.
Quote:You need to be inventive to make things work together, and declaring that there's more than one species leaves more holes than it fixes.
Quote:It doesn't really matter, I imagine, I'm just very displeased with the whole idea of "There are more species," because that makes no sense at all.
Heck, I embrace the time-travel theory over it.
That must show you something....
Dude... how many times do I have to repeat this and how many times are you gonna pretend I said something else?
Same species, one species, created by the same DKV, left in different places.
DKV where all over the universe, not just Sirius, according to the basic stuff the game tells you. Its only logical they put nomads where ever they were or where ever they left, not only Sirius. And its only logical that nomads behaved the same way where ever they were.
Quote:Time travel is wacky and I understand a lot of people aren't fans, but it explains basically everything and makes perfect sense in a cliched sort of way.
If the nomads showed themselves and attacked at THAT particular time, it can only mean they were WAITING since the space-traveling humans stumbled upon them (not time traveling to when they wanted, knowing humans went to Sirius, and WHEN they went there) till one side won so they could wipe out sol while humans had their pants down.
Time travel doesnt make sense here, it doesnt make sense in general, its not wacky, but its rather overused and cliched, yes.
Quote:Two years ago (and a half, I guess), that document was Lore. "Go read the lore," they'd say, "Link." Two years ago, the extended intro was canon, and the Document was infallible truthy fluff, giving some extra detail. Now it's apparently what the Keepers have written.
Actually it was always Keepers version there, so just you know it's not out of sudden, unless you were living in a cave for all this time. But like I said previously, eager critics like aren't making things better being no more than glorified nitpickers. If you got some constructive suggestion that would benefit Nomads' background without putting everything else into contradiction - I'll hear it in PM and we could discuss it. Until then I'm not interested. But then again I also doubt your ability to get rid of your prejudicial attitude towards me.
Quote:I'm just very displeased with the whole idea of "There are more species," because that makes no sense at all.
You can read my signature quote on that. A lot of things here in Freelancer as well as Discovery makes no sense, so what then? You haven't suggested anything better than that I'm afraid. Your time travel idea makes even less sense for me. Thanks for trying though with providing some alternative insight but I shall not incorporate it into the lore. No time travel, sorry.
Quote:DKV where all over the universe, not just Sirius, according to the basic stuff the game tells you. Its only logical they put nomads where ever they were or where ever they left, not only Sirius. And its only logical that nomads behaved the same way where ever they were.
Now that's a bit closer to what's going on there. Indeed Sirius was just a distant colony of DK, but their empire has been far larger (hence the whole hypergate business). So different types of Nomads existed (or still do) in it. Like human races (does that also makes no sense, Sprolf?) and human houses in Sirius colony. Sirius Nomads just happen to be one that is in Sirius but not the only of them overall. Some much older and more advanced. Some are extinct by now. Others went beyond.
Now the rest of you, critics, is there something you actually wanted or you just came in to spin the drink and rant in a bar? I don't serve drinks here and also not interested in listening the whole night how your wife makes no sense.
Treewyrm Wrote:Now the rest of you, critics, is there something you actually wanted or you just came in to spin the drink and rant in a bar? I don't serve drinks here and also not interested in listening the whole night how your wife makes no sense.
Dont know about the others, but I was never talking about the discovery nomads in the first place, and I wasnt asking you to change the lore. Nor did I demand that you listen or give your opinion (did that sound impolite, didnt mean to be but you implied that someone did). Im just talking about how this video fits into freelancer. I'm just expressing my opinion, if you dont want to talk about it you dont have to. I dont see how if the sol nomads caused or prolonged the sol war so they could strike at the right time should affect the Sirius nomads anyway.
Anyhow...
What I wanted to ask...
Are there other such developers documents like the one Boss posted?
If yes I would be very interested to read the Outcast, Corsair, and Order ones.
If they exist, could you link them too? Or do you think you could get problems with copyright?
About the "more advanced" thing of the sol nomads...
I think nomads genetically build what ever they are in need of. If the need fighter sized ships to kill human fihgters, they make those. If they need something to fight human battleships, the build a stronger battleship. If they need something to kill a bunch of bacteria cells that are infesting the universe, they bild bacteria that eat those bacteria. If they need something to whipe out humanity with one blow and humanity is still stuck in one system, they build something that will blow up hte sun with one shot and destroy that system. I think they could do it in Sirius if they had enough time to build that thing, and if they wanted to. I dont think they would want to blow up every star of every human-infested system.
