Each house that has a military has lawful trader factions. These factions fund their new members to give them new ships, etc, usually by getting a fee from their members. 10% on each trade run or some such is usually enough to fund them.
Now, someone mentioned the governments being the ones to pay the military. So they can be.
How do governments gain money? Taxation.
Who has the money? Trading corporations.
Who benefits from extra police/military? Trading corporations.
'Do the math', and we get:
Trading corporations donating a set percentage of profits to the military high commands to dish out as they see fit.
The "Big three" Liberty corporations as well as any smaller ones can contribute to Liberty's defences.
The Rheinland corporations (ALG, Republican, etc) can contribute to Rheinland's defences.
And so on.
Naturally, there won't be as much money as you can make by trading, since that's obviously not what any of us want. Just enough cash for upkeep; b/bs, ammunition, and a bonus or two for the dedicated cops or kills scored if they see fit.
The only people set to miss out are the Indies. The Independents should be encouraged to join factions, since it improves role-play experience for everyone. What better way to bring people into the fold than to offer them a wage for what they're already doing.
I don't propose to speculate on what the wages would be, whether higher ranks would get more, or anything of that nature. That would be for people in charge of the respective military faction to decide, based on how much money they're getting from the corporations.
Point is, if it's only a percentage of the trading faction's profits, it won't be more than the traders themselves are earning.
No need for admin magic making the money appear, no need for people to feel trading is obsolete (how else're you gonna get that shiny cap you want?).
i dont think that a payment for the increase of lawfulls brings the required effect. as many times said in this thread,
Pirating isnt the way to get rich
to play Police or Military isnt the way to get money, and if so, i dont think that the number of lawfulls then will increase, just for money. A lot of people play pirates, because they have more chances to play various RP and arnt as restricted as the police or military. you know what i mean?
For me, i love to play a military char more than a pirate char. why? just easy to explain. i feel called to protect the innocent citizens in our wonderfull rheinland, but other players would like to play more a pirate char, less restricted, more rp chances. Thats ok. go out of Liberty, come to rheinland, the hole sector is fairly balanced with lawfulls and unlawfulls.
Is there something up with the forum? I spent a long time making a post for this yesterday, right under fasttea's one, and now it, and the guys after it has gone!
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I made a really long post but it got lost in the data drop:(, So im gonna try to condense it.
As I have posted earlier, I am in almost total agreement with Fasttea.
However, I do not think that only the liberty companies should finance the liberty lawfulls, as corporations from other houses trade in liberty and vice-versa. Plus who would people like the IMG and Zoners pay?
I believe each house should simply make a "tax page" in the official faction section of the forums, and anyone who wants to trade in their house pays, and it is displayed on the page. With trading factions paying together for a discount if they wish, and indies paying seperatly if they wish.
In fact I believe that trading factions should get a tax discount within their own house.
Those who don't pay could then be taxed MORE in space by lawfull official factions OR indies (so they can make SOME money too)
NOTE: I am not suggesting this is admin-enforceable, tax-evasion is perfectly good RP - just like smuggling - but be prepared to be fined and pay MORE in space if you don't pay your taxes.
I believe traders (at least the indie ones, the official trading factions could work out some sort of mass-deal) should be taxed on ship-size - it's not fair to tax a rhino pilot the same as a mastadon pilot, and impractical to tax them on cargo, as WAY too hard to tell what cargo they will be carrying at all times -
Quote:Well what I think is that police could get paid for successful kills and stuff, as someone mentioned above;
Quote:btw, 2 words:
blanket bounties
Quote:With blue messages
Police are NOT bounty hunters, they get paid a wage, try to pay police like this, and not only will it make bounty hunters pointless, but it will ruin police/army RP to:
"You have bounty, now die"
Add to that the fact that this doesn't reward police who E.G. defuse a hostage situation - let the trader go and we'll forget about this - but does reward those who charge in guns blazing, NOT good police work.
Quote:Well, there was a time when mining was not very profitable, so everyone powertraded; then mining was made profitable again and a bunch of traders dissapeared, at the end mining was nerfed a bit so there is now a balance of traders and miner. My point is that people will look to the way they can earn the most money in a given time, in order to really give an incentive to pilots to fly their police ships, and earn money at the same time, police pilots would need to be paid at least 40 million credits per hour, to make it more attractive than mining/trading, otherwise when they need money they will just switch to their miners. If you have 10 police pilots patrolling that would mean 300 million per hour, there's now way to get so much money. That's the reason (according to me) that a wage is not possible.
The idea is NOT to make this the most profitable play-style OK? NOT NOT NOT, Got that? This would earn a % of trader and miner profits, this won't cut those who want to make big bucks away from mining/trading
Quote:But we are lazy. That requires work. We want money 4 nothing.
This would not be money for nothing, its a wage, therefore you have to earn it. I propose players are paid upon submission to the message dump of a patrol report. The report would have to have timestamped beginning and ending shots, along with timestamped shots during the patrol, proving you dealt with any emergencies E.G: "Waypoint 1 fort bush, all clear," or "responding to trader distress call at west point"
I propose 1 mill per 20 minute patrol report submitted.
This would vary for ranks prehaps, and bonuses/medals for outstanding performance.
Quote:On a serious note if things suck that bad then don't play Police or Navy character then.
So your solution is to tell them to stop whining for something they have every right to, and go away if they can't hack it?
Lawfulls are an important part of RP, and this is will reward them for providing that valuble service.
Quote:i dont think that a payment for the increase of lawfulls brings the required effect. as many times said in this thread,
Pirating isnt the way to get rich
to play Police or Military isnt the way to get money, and if so, i dont think that the number of lawfulls then will increase, just for money. A lot of people play pirates, because they have more chances to play various RP and arnt as restricted as the police or military. you know what i mean?
For me, i love to play a military char more than a pirate char. why? just easy to explain. i feel called to protect the innocent citizens in our wonderfull rheinland, but other players would like to play more a pirate char, less restricted, more rp chances. Thats ok. go out of Liberty, come to rheinland, the hole sector is fairly balanced with lawfulls and unlawfulls.
just my 2 cents.
You're right about some things, but dead wrong about others, Pirates can definitely make money, especially when they work together and use PTs, I have easily made over 100mill with my pirates, the RP is just (If not more) as fun, but I make money, whereas lawfulls don't, fair? realistic? No.
As for not making any more lawfull players if they got a wage, It would greatly encourage newbies, and I know I for one would make a lawfull char if they got a wage.
So, to sum up; we have the:
Why?: To increase Realism, add to RP, reward those providing a valuble service, encourage more lawful players, and give newbies an excellent place to start and learn to play/RP.
Who?: Traders pay tax, Faction leaders dish it out.
How?: Traders pay taxes over the forums - and if they dont can be taxed + fined in space. Faction leaders dish out the pay upon patrol submissions. Remember, sitting around at manhatten chatting, whilst rogues rob traders DOESN'T count as a successful patrol.
What?: This will be up to the faction leaders, but I would be happy to pay 10 mill per week to have free trade in the 4 houses with my GMG whale. I propose each house charges about 3 mill per 1000 cargo space each week, x4 per month, x10 per year, so you get slight discounts if you pay in bulk, prehaps with discounts for official trader factions, and house citizens. My maths regarding no of traders vs no of lawfulls - is there enough tax to pay the lawfulls is guesswork, but as I say, this is for the faction leaders to discuss. Just as long as its not too big that it threatens trader profits, but not too small that it becomes meaningless.
Where?: Tax page on the forums, Fine+Tax in space if you havn't paid.
What more is there to discuss?
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Quote:Each house that has a military has lawful trader factions. These factions fund their new members to give them new ships, etc, usually by getting a fee from their members. 10% on each trade run or some such is usually enough to fund them.
Lol? Do you actually know how much money is left over after piracy? Generally none. And you want to increase that? So ou get , what, 20 mil, and then they die. And if you want to make money trading, you wait till everyone is off and watch the chat list anyway.
Edit: How often do you see offical trading factions? And why do you think that is? This will only excerbate it.
EditEdit: Do I Seem angry? Maybe that is because everyone assumes we have endless bank accounts.
' Wrote:Lol? Do you actually know how much money is left over after piracy? Generally none. And you want to increase that? So ou get , what, 20 mil, and then they die. And if you want to make money trading, you wait till everyone is off and watch the chat list anyway.
Edit: How often do you see offical trading factions? And why do you think that is? This will only excerbate it.
EditEdit: Do I Seem angry? Maybe that is because everyone assumes we have endless bank accounts.
I don't entireley understand your slightly garbled message, but if you're getting pirated so much you're making no money trading, then I am gobsmacked, and advise you to get a new route, I must have lost about 80mill to pirates in my life, and have made about 800mill trading, my bank account is pretty sweet, and I'd be happy to pay 10 mill per week as I said earlier, also, remember that if there are more lawfulls, that is more protection from pirates for you.
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Traders make a lot of money. There are a lot of traders.
Pirates steal maybe 1/4 of a traders earnings from that one route. Pirates only successful 1/4 of the time. There are less pirates than traders.
Lawfulls are everywhere. Lawfulls, for the most part, are on the side of the traders. Lawfulls outnumber pirates more than half of the time. Lawfulls + every other non-pirate fight the pirates.
Pirates are little. Everything else is big. Big picks on little.
I would pay taxes if the navy could keep us safe...... Which they cannot.
Perhaps it is my timezone, but the last time I was able to actually trade was...Last month. Of course, I dont trade with a smuggler or an indie, which means the tag could be a pirate magnet.
Quote:Traders make a lot of money. There are a lot of traders.
Pirates steal maybe 1/4 of a traders earnings from that one route. Pirates only successful 1/4 of the time. There are less pirates than traders.
Lawfulls are everywhere. Lawfulls, for the most part, are on the side of the traders. Lawfulls outnumber pirates more than half of the time. Lawfulls + every other non-pirate fight the pirates.
Pirates are little. Everything else is big. Big picks on little.
Exactly the opposite for me. I make very little, I see even fewer traders, pirates tend to all cargo/ten mil, the TCD stops anyone from fleeing,Before death anyway(on thrusters) Lawfuls are nowhere to be found, and I am most definitly the smallest thing in the pond. Perhaps it is my timezone?
' Wrote:I would pay taxes if the navy could keep us safe...... Which they cannot.
Perhaps it is my timezone, but the last time I was able to actually trade was...Last month. Of course, I dont trade with a smuggler or an indie, which means the tag could be a pirate magnet.
Exactly the opposite for me. I make very little, I see even fewer traders, pirates tend to all cargo/ten mil, the TCD stops anyone from fleeing,Before death anyway(on thrusters) Lawfuls are nowhere to be found, and I am most definitly the smallest thing in the pond. Perhaps it is my timezone?
Wow, harsh, You sir, are a unique specimin, possibly the last of an endangered species - poorius traderius -
But seiously, you have a very odd situation.
Therefore, I would have thought you would be in favour of this idea, as apparently there are no lawfulls around,but this would encourage more to be there to protect you.
What ship do you fly?
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