Cap. Ship armor VIII

[Exile]

*Strangels Templar*

annyone anny ideas on how it could be fixed?

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[TankTarget]

Well see this is a direct result of the Vanilla ships having a wire frame the very thing that people want for all ships. Now the only foreseeable way to keep flak from raping caps is to take it away or give it a hellacious nerf....

[Panzer]

Imo, the whole flak ide is a bit wrong. The way they work now, they are most effective only against capships. They start being useful vs NPCs only when one CD goes straight behind a flak shell.

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[Doom]

heh..if u remove flaks why not missiles and torps..vanilla ships have weak spot on those too...

just cause u can't fix one thing doesn't mean that u need to spoil another...however some flak nerfing may be temporary solution

[Eppy]

Indeed. Flak will never really get fixed. We either have to ditch subgroups on capships, or get subgroups on all of them.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Panzer]

Yeah...

If only armor classes could be introduced... capshp armor class wouldn't take damage from fighter weapons and flak.

I fear it might be another hardcode though...

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[Dab]

Perhaps we could just make all the Vanilla battleships to be single-model instead of wireframe. Keep the wireframe in case we eventually get all caps to be working wireframes, but for the mod, we use the non-wire models for them. Fighters should stay wire if they can be. Personally, I think wire-frame fighters should get more armor than non-wire frame fighters to balance it. They can die easy to missiles, but guns will take a bit. Meanwhile, guns are about all a Vanilla fighter has got to use on non-vanilla fighters.

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[TankTarget]

Yeah, taking away the wire frames away from all ships might in fact be a good idea. I mean a Nuclear mine will still knock the living daylights out of a Raven's Talon (currently the best fighter) in one to two hits. Missiles will blow of any guns except those belonging to the Raven Claw and it has a big ass and slow turn rate. In fact if we removed the wire frames, missile spamming and whatnot would be solved. However the problem still remains... Flak will still own caps because it will blow ALL of their guns off in a scary short amount of time. Flak is the end all cap ship weapon...no questions asked...