Alternate suggestion for these Kruger indies who are having trouble going through Sig13:
Go IMG. (shameless advertising)
Basically the same resource bonus, you don't get shot at by GMG, and if you ever get tired of silver you can try your luck at Niobium or Gold, too.
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' Wrote:The resulting tone looks like a misunderstanding to me (typical Kurger-GMG relations I guess:P)
Yes it is a tone resulting from my misunderstanding and yes it would be the typical Kruger-GMG relations if done in RP but neither myself nor global were in character in this exchange and as a result I as a community member bear the weight for being too harsh in it.
It was overly reactive and I'll explain why and how it was unfortunate that global fell into the receiving end of my misstep. Now most know I have an extremely high tolerence to in-game activity and I do my best to preach that high level of tolerence to GMG| members. This is born from 4.84 times when we first began while Sig 13 was a 24/7 SNAFU because of the Diamond/Niobium run. We are seeing a bit of smaller re-occurance happening again. We are currently receiving an influx of Kruger ID'd ships that have no understanding as to why we would stop them. Now all kinds of interesting methods of avoiding us is being used. There's the classic method of flying openly in front of us then raging in OOC when they get stopped, theres the flying on different planes, there's the changing of names, heck we are even getting some who will dock on Naha to avoid GMG authorities lmao. All of this never is enough to upset me. If the go OOC in an undesirable way then they are ignored and we don't break character, if they fly off plane then we do too, they want to escape on Naha we camp further down the lane with more firepower, interesting enough the changing of one's ship name to avoid us is what I consider the most RP solution of the above (I'll get into that later). None of that stretches my tolerance in the least but I was expecting an OOC thread to eventually surface about GMG stopping Kruger ships before an RP thread concerning it surfaced. I have a distaste for diplomatic results from OOC threads. I did the misstep in thinking you were official Kruger and had brought this thread up over this matter but am mistaken and see that you are an Indy wondering of there is a way for individuals around it.
Ok I think there may be possibilities but this starts getting into the realms of individual RP of GMG| members. Now the GMG policy is KoS and pretty much ours too in general as a whole. Things do differ when you get down to individual level of GMG| patrolers. Taking bribes is not unheard of within GMG| but it is inconsistant and rare but even I will admit that I've been on my Ensign character and have taken bribes myself, knowingly breaking GMG| policies to put extra credits in my greedy hands. Credits play a major role in status within GMG (not a player char who grinded but in general the greedy desire to have more credits colours GMG| RP). But other GMG| rightfully hold the RP of murderous hatred of Kruger ships. As mentioned earlier I hinted at my belief that the changing of one ship's name has RP merit. I do believe that to be so and in Kruger's case if they were to actually renew their routes through hostile Sigmas I wouldn't doubt that they would do ploys like altering details of ships regularly in hopes of circumventing GMG. Then there is also the big RP method. Kruger wasn't the ones who actually pushed for the war and made it happen, it was Daumann who took advantage of the situation to push the war forward. GMG does not know this and still consider Kruger responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands on both sides. Create pressure for an investigation into the past events that started the Eighty Year War. This was all done by an Imperial Rheinland so maybe working with the current Rheinlands regime can facilitate this in deciding if it's ok to open that can and let know that Daumann was the real culprits. It's a lot of work and will take a lot of OOC discussion to work out the RP properly but it's one of those next steps in the GMG/Rheinland saga.
Who cares? The GMG are hardly around and almost never in mass. Bad luck running into one for you. Next time if theres one in Sigma 13 or Honshu just dock on Hegoland then log back onto your miner and start mining until the GMG get bored and log off.
But seriously the faction ID aint even active enough to warrant the all the hoopla.
Edit: In short treat them like you would any other pirate. KIll them or avoid them.
as i typed above, i was just asking. after the first answer from ProwlerPC, i lost interest in trying to make something...
as reacher typed, i maked that run 4 times, meet GMG 1 time...
ProwlerPC, your second answer is good and explanating many things,but i think it is more usefull for official kruger, because indies can not make pressure on rheinland goverment or such things...
Whoa whoa hold your horses a bit, I do believe Rodent made some attempt at contacting GMG in name of kruger, it was long time ago, and I am not sure was it ignored or denied or anything similar, but I do know it wasn't useful. It was long time ago, and I can't find thread now.
I know RP explanations, and I know it's perfectly within GMG rp to shoot Krugers there.
My point was, that devs didn't took this fact into consideration when making Kruger trade routes, cause basicly the only good ones which don't take 2 hours for 20 mils profit, are leading to Kusari. And cause of this situation in Sigma 13, Kruger is left without any normal trade route out of Rheinland.
Speaking Generally Kruger is really lacking trade routes. There is few RP good ones, but people join corporation factions not purely cause of RP, profit is also important, and atm, Kruger doesn't have much to offer concerning trading routes, only mining isn't bad.
globalplayer-svk,
being an indie sucks a bit because you are pushed around and you have little support on your side. Sugestion, join Kruger|. You will find that is better to be on an official mining corporation, than continue to be an indie.
To official representives of Kruger|,
there is some nice sugestions here to try to start RP conversations with GMG|. So, why not start it?
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