What is the Zoner philosophy? Jim Millam
Zoners firmly believe in the concept of Freeports -- places where anyone, regardless of their criminal or political affiliation, is welcome. Unfortunately, the authorities in the House systems do not subscribe to this philosophy, so there are none within House boundaries.
Jim Millam
Zoners hazard the Border Worlds because we don't want any governments telling us how to live. That's why I hope the Corsairs and Hessians force the corporations out of this area. Then we'd have the system all to ourselves.
Gill Harries (Xeno)
This is one of the only bases around that lets us land. Those Zoners are good people, although they do seem to like foreigners a bit too much.
Elijah Martin
Zoners do not condone violence. However, [the Sidearm sale] is profitable and it fulfills a need for the criminals to visit our base.
Henry Brooks
Zoners do not care what your alliagence is; as long as you respect our ways, we will respect yours.
Ibrahim Piniones
As Zoners we do not get involved; we must sell supplies to both sides to make a living.
Peter Maxwell
Zoners basically want to get along with everybody. We try to produce Commodities at our bases that others will need; that way we can go where the govenments aren't.
Toby Smith
As a Zoner we must accept all kinds..
Brad Howard
The Corsairs and Outcasts are such violent people. I don't know where they went so wrong. Their need for space is something we Zoners share. We have settlers always pushing further into the dark edges of Sirius. One day we will find our own homeland out there, free from the rule of the corrupt governments and corporations of the colonies.
How connected are Zoners from Freeport to Freeport? Sam Ralston
Our brothers in Freeport 5 send us Polymers, Fertilizers, and Consumer Goods. It's a Zoner's duty to help other Zoners where we can. This is a dangerous part of space; only by sticking together can we make it.
Sam Ralston
It's important that we help other Zoner bases in the area get what they need to survive. The people at Freeport 5 need the basic supplies plus Fertilizers, Polymers, and Engine Components.
Juan Carlos Marquez (Zoner)
We get many of our goods from Freeport 1 in Omega-3. We ship Polymers, Engine Components, and Fertilizers here from that area.
Juan Carlos Marquez (Zoner)
Zoner goods flow between [Freeport 5] and Freeport 9 on the other side of Omicron Gamma. The Corsairs let us pass because we supply them with many of the goods they use themselves.
Craig Owens
There is a demand for Fertilizers and Terraforming Gasses in Freeport 10. You could supply our base with these if you think you could make it up there.
Ken Nielson
We [Freeport 10] get almost all of our basic supplies from Freeport 6 in Tau-29. Most importantly we receive Fertilizers and Terraforming Gases for our biodome. In return we ship Freeport 6 Alien Organisms and Food.
Do Zoners trade with the Houses? Jim Millam
We make supply runs to Hamburg to import essential Commodities like Oxygen, Water, Consumer Goods, and Pharmaceuticals.
Drew Mobley
We make supply runs to Deshima for essential Commodities such as Oxygen, Water, H-Fuel, Consumer Goods, Food, Engine Components, and Pharmaceuticals.
Jeff Zabor
Synth Foods brings in Fertilizers from Houston and buys much of our excess [Food] to feed the burgeoning prison population in Texas.
Ivan Parks
We ship the Alien Organisms found in this system to the Cryer base in Sigma-17. Cryer also needs our Polymers, and we return with Pharmaceuticals.
Do No-Fire Zones exist in the original Freelancer? Julian Ross (Universal Shipping)
Just look around you -- Xenos, Lane Hackers, and those sleazy Bounty Hunters. I can feel the predators' eyes watching me. They'll probably ambush us once we get out of the Freeport's no-fire zone.
Alberto Cordero (Corsair)
The Bounty Hunters at this base are fools. Granted, we cannot attack them while they are here, but most of them will soon find themselves in Corsair ambushes when they have left the no-fighting zone that surrounds this place.
Josefina Ferrer (Corsair)
You can't kill anyone onboard or in the immediate are of a Zoner base. That's why the Bounty Hunters are still breathing here.
[color=#33CC00]Do Zoners support criminals?
Melvin Mitchell (Xeno) wrote:
This base keeps the northern Xeno alliance alive. Those Zoners are our saviors.. We ship supplies from here to our Denko Cloud base -- basic needs, such as Food, H-Fuel, Oxygen, Pharmaceuticals, and Water.
Gill Harries (Xeno) wrote:
The Zoners run Side Arms from Haburg to this Freeport. That's a big help for us, as otherwise we'd have nowhere else to get our guns for our base in the Hudson system.
Henry Brooks wrote:
This system is a crossroads between Kusari, Bretonia, and the Outcast Edge Worlds. All kinds of criminals and company pass through, we accept them all.
Maris Fernandez (Outcast) wrote:
Many of the components that we use to build our ships come from this base. Ship Hull Panels, Construction Machinery, and Polymers are only a portion of the goods we ship to Malta.
Alex Bellamy wrote:
The criminals in the area use our base as a supply point. Lane Hackers and Xenos come here to buy various supplies.
Scott Shelton wrote:
We sell the Xenos the supplies they need. They're different from us -- that's certain -- but we try and get along with everybody. They're been making trouble for Kusari shipping, and I've heard that the Kusari military has been vaporizing them here and there. But they keep coming and getting their supplies.
Jack Mason (Lane Hacker) wrote:
The Ames Research Station is the main supply source for our bases in Galileo. We ship all the essentials like Food, H-Fuel, Water, Oxygen, Pharmaceuticals, Engine Components, and Consumer Goods there.
Tim Byers wrote:
We supply [Cadiz] with everything it needs. From basic supplies to Engine Components and Polymers, you name it, we ship it here from Freeport 1. We know it will all be used to fight the Hessians or rob Bretonians, but that is not our affair.
Why do Zoners not get invaded by other factions? Are they at risk of being invaded?
Freeport 10 News wrote:
The relationship between Zoners and Outcasts is a precarious one. The Outcasts view the Zoners as somewhat useful, so they do not attack them. The moment that the Outcasts no longer find the Zoners necessary, they will have no compunctions about slaughtering any who are in or near their space. The IMG have a much worse rapport with the faction. Outcasts will kill any miners they come across in the northern Edge Worlds. The last thing that Outcasts want is undue attention by outside factions
Crete News wrote:
Many Corsairs believe that it is no longer necessary to tolerate the Zoner presence in Omicron Gamma's sister system. There is concern that they allow Bounty Hunters to come too close to the home world. It has also been argued that the biodomes in Freeport 9 could be salvaged after the Zoner expulsion and used to grow food solely for Corsairs. Right now the Zoners enjoy relative safety in Omicron Theta, but that could soon change.
Ken Pardue wrote:
When I head back to "the Nine," I'm usually hauling Pharmaceuticals bound for Crete. That's why the Corsairs don't kick them out of there tomorrow.
Sandra Bassett (Bounty Hunter) wrote:
It's a good thing the Zoners let us land on their bases. The criminals don't like it, but fair is fair. If the Zoners didn't allow us to land, IC and the Liberty Navy would shut this Freeport [2] down in a second, and the Zoners know this.
Juan Carlos Marquez (Zoner) wrote:
The Corsairs let us pass because we supply them with many of the goods they use themselves.
Rico Santini (Corsair) wrote:
One day the Corsairs may destroy this base if we find we have no more need of it. The Zoners do not realize what kind of people we are. Death is so familiar to a Corsair that delivering it is second nature. It would trouble no Corsair to put every Zoner at this base to the sword.
David Sorensen wrote:
[Outcasts] don't tolerate many intruders, and we only operate this base in relative safety because we provide them with something. If you have nothing to offer them, they will kill you -- no question.
Ken Nielson wrote:
The Zoners at this base tell me it used to be very dangerous to live here. The Outcasts would often attack them. Eventually, they realized that this base was an asset to them. Maskers come out here to refuel and resupply on their way in and out of Malta.
Maris Fernandez (Outcast) wrote:
We use this base as a stopover for Cardamine shipments running between Malta and Cali. There was a time when we attacked this place and hunted the Zoners because they were too close to us. After a while we realized that it was a convenience for us to have them here, so for now the Zoners enjoy relative safety.
Maris Fernandez (Outcast) wrote:
Many of the components that we use to build our ships come from this base. It is one of the reasons that we let Zoners live here.
Perry Crawford wrote:
When we came here we had saved up enough money to build a biodome, which is what saved us all from the Outcasts -- that and the fact that we mind our own business.
Do Zoners have any military structure or combat experience?
Perry Crawford wrote:
I used to be a soldier in the Bretonian Armed Forces. I left Bretonia and came to this place where I make a difference and feel that I belong. When this base was first established I was commander of Freeport 10's base defenses. Now that the Outcasts don't attack us, I help out in the biodomes.
Todd Winston wrote:
You are in some tough space, you know. The Zoners here, though we don't go looking for fights, can all handle ourselves. I used to be a pilot in the BAF. That's right. But I gave it up when I realized there weren't a future in it for me but a gold watch or a space burial.
Dennis Porter wrote:
A couple of Gateway boys were minding their own business in our bar a few days ago when some Bowex chaps started talking some smack to them. Next thing you know a fight was going. I enjoy a good bar brawl and was knocking teeth out of a BMMer when someone pulled a Daumann "crowd killer" and let loose in there.
What is the Freeport Population in 800 AS?
Ames: 200
Freeport 1: 2000
Freeport 2: 850
Freeport 5: 150
Freeport 6: 800
Freeport 9: 100
Freeport 10: 150
Total Estimated Population: 4250
But i guess it doesn`t match Disco Zoners. I mean: capital ships, two planets, two systems, no need to expand and explore... I`m curious if Zoners can return to vanilla way? I like them this way much more.
' Wrote:Sorry, this whole post sounds like a blatant attempt to provide an excuse to PvP without any real role-play to back it up.
i kind of doubt you really read all the rumors, anon... ( well, my apology if you did - but either way, they are as logical as real history from different angles )
but if you did - those are rumors - some are outdated - as much as history goes on. - and why ... oh why should zoners return to vanilla? - why is everyone so eager about it?
why does no one ask the corsairs to return to vanilla?
' Wrote:i kind of doubt you really read all the rumors, anon... ( well, my apology if you did - but either way, they are as logical as real history from different angles )
but if you did - those are rumors - some are outdated - as much as history goes on. - and why ... oh why should zoners return to vanilla? - why is everyone so eager about it?
why does no one ask the corsairs to return to vanilla?
An intriguing question. Perhaps you could frame how the Corsairs have deviated as a compare/contrast to how you would frame the Zoner's own deviation?
its hardly about comparing the factions - but more about the fact that its asked that they return to vanilla.
from how far away - thats not the issue here. - only that fact that its not vanilla anymore.
if you desperately want to compare how much what faction gained since vanilla - i am sure its possible to make a list - and maybe we can also still figure out what rumors are vanilla and which ones are disco.
but quite frankly, i m not too interested in making that comparison, i m just interested why ppl expect zoners to be vanilla
no one ever asked my gaian to be vanilla for example... and back when i still liked the BHG, no one would have dared to ask me to be like vanilla, cause that would have meant to be a subtitute police...
' Wrote:why does no one ask the corsairs to return to vanilla?
Why are you trying to compare the Zoners to the Corsairs? Fairly certain if we spent two minutes comparing, we'd find a huge gap in how different the two are to their vanilla versions. The problem is, the Zoners have changed massively, and have much less in common with their vanilla version than most factions do. Many people on Disco (judging by the posts they have made in serious discussions on the matter) feel that the Zoners have gone too far from vanilla, and would prefer they be reverted, at least somewhat, to what they used to be. I can't say I don't find that idea appealing.
' Wrote:no one ever asked my gaian to be vanilla for example... and back when i still liked the BHG, no one would have dared to ask me to be like vanilla, cause that would have meant to be a subtitute police...
That's because the Gaians of now are still the Gaians of vanilla. They have changed very small amounts. Same for the non-Core BHG. Why ask someone to act like they already are? Zoners are asked to be more vanilla-like, because they share very little in common with what they started as.
You're comparisons in this situation are extremely horrible ones.
how horrible they are or are not is subjective, dear dab.
every faction of disco is presented with a preset of characteristics - a set of traits that define them. - most of those factions have little in common with vanilla anymore. - by saying "they have strived further from vanilla" you only apply your own and VERY subjective opinion on the whole matter.
who are you to say what faction has less in common with vanilla or not? - what weighs weighs how much in terms of estrangement from vanilla?
if we listed things up - we might see that your opinion may not meet mine in terms of "how massive the impact is"
but guessing how you d consider it, you may say that your opinion meets the majority ( and maybe it does ) - but which majority is that? - the ones that like to critizise anyone but themselves?
ok - but since you re so eager to list things up...
- zoners got a planet with a type in terms of the population ( you know it, i know it ... and just recently igiss commented on it, too - so hardly a reason to argue about that one ) - we also know how they got the planet.
- zoners got a whole set of ships.
- zoners have had their roleplay regarding to vanilla hardly changed though in terms of what the ID says - they are "asked" to be a passive faction, leaving room for talks before weaponfire - attracting mostly players who like to write a lot ( sometimes too much ) before they act.
tell me - where exactly have the zoners gone wrong ( in terms of how disco changed them ) [lore] - and we are not talking about some triggerhappy morons that yell yalalala and attack with no RP at all to drive a faction into a war. - or some unreasonalbe demands that cannot be met by any standards of RP.
i would like to see your list of how disco ( as in - how the devs ) changed the zoners faction - so that they simply cannot perform their vanilla role anymore ( compared to other factions )
when you get down to it - they recieved a ship pack ( like others ) - stations ( like others ) - and ZG nerf ( which was promoted by you, dab )
i only know of ONE single faction that wore the zoner ID that changed the zoner RP massivly from within... and i am fairly sure you know that faction, too - dab.
edit:
of for the record:
- gaians got a shippack ( smaller, but time will tell )
- gaians got a few new stations
- gaians had their roleplay hardly changed from vanilla in terms of what the ID says.
the differnece being - no outsider asks the gaians how to behave. - so hey simply behave as they see fit themselves.
so again - tell me - what did disco give the zoners what disco did not give many other factions?
Whats the cause of this revisionist attitude though? Isnt the mod facilitating greater roleplay? And wouldn't it be an individual failure if you felt this or that didn't fit?
Its always this "Oh we made a mistake for years let put the hem line here" bs.
Comparing fruits and vegetables isn't even a good start either.
Putting the whole of a faction on trail any faction is just retarded. Stop screwing with the stew and let it cook!
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