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This thread is open to anything but further definitions of what Zoners would/should be in vanilla - eat your vanilla rather than stuff our eyes and ears with it.
I think it would be wise to give over absolute control of your company and all your assets to Mark Grant. He will then lead you to a glorious battle in which you will conquer sirius.
Love the idea nooblet. To bits, though not literally. And the RP that's been associated with them so far, yus! There was something good from the ZA disbanding. Kudos / keep it up / no ideas here
....omicroners sucks though. Zoners of the Omicrons / ZO?
Quote:To: John Fellings, Bretonian Government
Subject: ZTC Banishment from Bretonia, and Bretonian Laws
Dear Ambassador,
the Omicroners hereby approve to be the remainders of the Zoners Trading Consortium. Many of us have left Omicron 74 and Omicron Theta after a series of Corsair attacks, which is the main reason why we have not answered your messages.
The terms we will abide to:
Omicroners do no infringe Bretonian Laws by definition.
Omicroners approve Omega 3 to be souvereign territory of Bretonia, except for Freeport 1 and a sphere of 5k radius around its center.
Omicroners approve Port Jackson to be permanent Bretonian Territory.
We do not believe that we are going to have many opportunities to travel through your space though, at least not in the near future, but we would nevertheless highly appreciate an ending to our banishment from Bretonia.
Also, please note that the Bounty Hunters Guild and their Core have attacked our Freeports in the Omicrons together with the Corsairs, which is why we have to fear a new stream of refugees leaving our bases. Because of this deadly danger we have to ask you if Bretonia would agree to termporarily host some of our colony vessels in case of another genocide.
I'm a touch confused.
As I understand it the idea behind the Omicroners is that, following the advent of the initial Corsair/Zoner hostilities and dissolvement of the ZA the Omicroners detonated the FP9 biodomes and retreated to 74. Where they now reside under a measure of fortification and distrust/dain for their former associates and common residents in the region.
The idea, as I understand it, is that they look after 74 and flip the bird to any other matters.
Then the 11 debacle emerged where the Omicroners took responsibility for establishing Zoner policy in Delta and determining if the Zoners/BHG would go to war.
Now they've determined Zoner policy in Omega 3 and Omega 49. Declaring the Bretonian colony on Gran Canaria to be Bretonain territory in addition to concurring that Omega 3 belongs to Bretonia (which I imagine Rheinland is going to have some opinions about, as soon as they and Daumann realize that the Bret gov players are making a landgrab into contested territory.)
So, please help me understand what the Omicroners are. Are you a remnant force in 74 looking after you and yours while everyone else can suck it down? Or is the Omicroners under the belief that they represent the "true" Zoner population that will determine politics and policy for the Zoners as a whole while the "false" Zoners (OSI/TAZ/Whomever) can, politely, rot in hell?
' Wrote:I think Omicroners is a really silly name.
Please change names! D:
' Wrote:I'm a touch confused.
As I understand it the idea behind the Omicroners is that, following the advent of the initial Corsair/Zoner hostilities and dissolvement of the ZA the Omicroners detonated the FP9 biodomes and retreated to 74. Where they now reside under a measure of fortification and distrust/dain for their former associates and common residents in the region.
The idea, as I understand it, is that they look after 74 and flip the bird to any other matters.
Then the 11 debacle emerged where the Omicroners took responsibility for establishing Zoner policy in Delta and determining if the Zoners/BHG would go to war.
Now they've determined Zoner policy in Omega 3 and Omega 49. Declaring the Bretonian colony on Gran Canaria to be Bretonain territory in addition to concurring that Omega 3 belongs to Bretonia (which I imagine Rheinland is going to have some opinions about, as soon as they and Daumann realize that the Bret gov players are making a landgrab into contested territory.)
So, please help me understand what the Omicroners are. Are you a remnant force in 74 looking after you and yours while everyone else can suck it down? Or is the Omicroners under the belief that they represent the "true" Zoner population that will determine politics and policy for the Zoners as a whole while the "false" Zoners (OSI/TAZ/Whomever) can, politely, rot in hell?
Actually, you're mistaken/misinformed in this situation Dusty. The terms the Croners are agreeing to are the terms Bretonia has been sending to -all- the Zoner factions. Including OSI and TAZ. OSI has already agreed to the terms. TAZ is still in discussion. The reason Bretonia is making recognition of their sovereignty in Omega-3 a necessary clause in any agreement is because we don't want to deal with another situation where factions in Omega-3 try to claim we don't have legal jurisdiction.
The recognition of our sovereignty in that system, and a written pledge by the Zoner factions to abide by our laws when in our sovereignty were considered the two utmost required terms in the treaties we drafted to give to the Zoners. The Croners are not setting policy for the Zoners as to Omega-3, only to themselves. The Croners and Croners alone recognize the system as our sovereignty according to the document, and that's all the further it goes legally. With treaties signed by OSI, and hopefully TAZ, that makes all 3 factions officially recognizing our sovereignty. Indies can still try to argue against it, but Bretonia is going to stick to its stance that that system is part of its sovereignty. We simply don't want to have to deal with the Zoners factions attempting to claim we don't have legal authority again, as happened last time.
You're also mistaken in that Rheinland would be upset by such an agreement.. In fact, the Omega Pact recently signed by Bretonia and Rheinland, formerly the Omega Defensive Agreement that was agreed on by the two heads of the houses before, but never formally signed, has Rheinland officially recognizing Omega-3 as our sovereignty, and Bretonia recognizing Omega-7 as theirs. As such, this agreement to the sovereignty by the Zoners further reinforces the status that Rheinland has pledged to as well. The Colonial Republic is likewise recognizing it as our sovereignty in the treaty draft currently being voted on (and predicted to be passed and accepted by Parliament).
Omega-49 was not something we were concerned over, and it was brought up by the Croners. Considering it already exists as a temporary refugee settlement of some size, the only choices the Zoners would have would be to keep it on permanently, or kick those Bretonians out.. I don't really see the latter happening, so the finalization of a mid-sized city settlement on Gran Canaria isn't exactly an issue if I look at it as a Zoner. It's one city of a planet, and it's nothing more than what Bretonia is granting the Zoners in Omega-3... They are allowing us a settlement on GC to govern our refugees in, we are allowing them to keep a station in Omega-3 and continuing to self-govern it, even though it's in our sovereignty.
Of course, you're free to argue that with the Croners if you wish. For sake of making the arrangement iron-clad, Bretonia would probably also seek a similar agreement by OSI and TAZ before thinking that agreement holds water.
So to summarize;
Bretonia made the requirement that the Croners recognize Omega-3 as their sovereignty. Not on behalf of all Zoners, but simply as themselves. This requirement was also made to TAZ and OSI, and we considered it necessary to have such an agreement before allowing those three groups to have permission to enter Bretonia again after the Omega-3 incident, which was caused essentially by the Zoners trying to dispute Bretonia's claim to that system.
I don't see the Croners as getting away from their focus on 74 and the Omicrons, since Bretonia was the one who started the discussion over this, demanding an agreement before giving them full and permanent access to Bretonia space to travel through again. In fact, to ignore Bretonia, or to challenge that demand would have had far worse consequences than agreeing to discuss it.
On a last note, your entire issue over this is an issue over the roleplay actions of a faction, and as such, you should be handling it in a roleplay fashion, not Q_Qing OORPly on the forums.
Quote:Also, please note that the Bounty Hunters Guild and their Core have attacked our Freeports in the Omicrons together with the Corsairs, which is why we have to fear a new stream of refugees leaving our bases. Because of this deadly danger we have to ask you if Bretonia would agree to termporarily host some of our colony vessels in case of another genocide.
Unless the above is some kind of a way for ZTC to infiltrate Bretonia with Zoner spies, the above makes no sense to me. Guys, this is not the roleplay we agreed on.
Thanks Dab, but the question was chiefly to help expand my understanding of the Omicroner's intended scope of operation. I'm not really concerned how the Bretonian government feels about having their requests affirmated.
Please do not reply in response to this Dab. Thanks again.
' Wrote:Thanks Dab, but the question was chiefly to help expand my understanding of the Omicroner's intended scope of operation. I'm not really concerned how the Bretonian government feels about having their requests affirmated.
Please do not reply in response to this Dab. Thanks again.
I don't really need to, since I already answered the above;
' Wrote:I don't see the Croners as getting away from their focus on 74 and the Omicrons, since Bretonia was the one who started the discussion over this, demanding an agreement before giving them full and permanent access to Bretonia space to travel through again. In fact, to ignore Bretonia, or to challenge that demand would have had far worse consequences than agreeing to discuss it.
On a last note, your entire issue over this is an issue over the roleplay actions of a faction, and as such, you should be handling it in a roleplay fashion, not Q_Qing OORPly on the forums.
But since you'll consider this a reply anyway, I'll simply say I have the right to.
I do find it interesting that you decided not to actually respond to any part of my post, which does, in fact, cover everything your post brings up. It's not a post about the feelings of Bretonia, it's a post about why they posted what they did, and that it isn't them trying to make decisions for all other Zoners.
Oh, btw, why are we Q_Qing here on the forums instead of dealing with this in-RP, considering it's an RP issue about an RP action? This one in particular I was interested in your answer to.