' Wrote:Your point other than supporting what I said was........? What?
My point was that you shouldnt ignore Player driven rp just because you dont like it. You shouldn't say things like
Quote:You can claim all you want you are getting enough food from AFA and IND to not need Zoners, until an admin confirms that I'll stick to Freelancer Lore that the only reason 9 is still there and the Zoners of Theta are alive is that Corsairs have a use for them.
What you are basically saying is screw the Corsair player driven rp. It's a slippery slope to do that with any faction, and you should have more respect for the other players playing with you than that. My point is that your suggestion is disrespectful to other players on the server. You wouldnt want someone doing it to you, why would you advocate it to be done to someone else? I am not supporting you opinion, I am supporting the idea of player driven faction rp, which is often the basis for what is made into lore by the dev team. So yea, not really supporting your point at all.
' Wrote:You are however getting food from other Zoners are you not?
You can claim all you want you are getting enough food from AFA and IND to not need Zoners, until an admin confirms that I'll stick to Freelancer Lore that the only reason 9 is still there and the Zoners of Theta are alive is that Corsairs have a use for them. You claiming otherwise is simply you wanting your faction to be uber and ignoring Freelancer Lore for your benefit. I also find the fact that you think the only thing stopping you from taking 9 is you funny. Players don't get to make decisions like that. The development team does.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't get a biodome. Corsairs already have them so why wouldn't they be able to reproduce them?
first thing is that since you think it is funny it is true.we do not want the fp9.
When you say that it isdev team that can make this decision,then it is not zoners bronging food from theta but the dev team...
Last thing is,that fp9 is controlled by omicroners and they are far away from zoners...( from corsair poiint of wiew)
so while we are ib conflic with omicroners that are running fp9,we have still nice friendship with other groups like taz,osi, andso
Sorry to interupt the discussion, but does anyone know what software that is in the first linked picture, the one that lets you look at everything the people on stations say?
I'm talking about the menu that is visible there: the houses, the systems, the stations, the characters.
' Wrote:My point was that you shouldnt ignore Player driven rp just because you dont like it. You shouldn't say things like
What you are basically saying is screw the Corsair player driven rp. It's a slippery slope to do that with any faction, and you should have more respect for the other players playing with you than that. My point is that your suggestion is disrespectful to other players on the server. You wouldnt want someone doing it to you, why would you advocate it to be done to someone else? I am not supporting you opinion, I am supporting the idea of player driven faction rp, which is often the basis for what is made into lore by the dev team. So yea, not really supporting your point at all.
I said I'd ignore it because the Corsair player base ignores the fact that if Zoners refuse to ship them food inRP that there should be consequences for it. Since the only people that can enforce those consequences on the Corsair player base is the Corsair player base and they refuse to acknowledge that there should be consequences, why bother with acknowledging what they want?
You tell me to have more respect for others yet you lack that respect for certain players yourself.
While you can claim you don't support my point you in fact do.
My most simple point was this. Players need to remember that things they want for their faction might have implications for other factions, and as such should try to work with those factions on it.
' Wrote:Sorry to interupt the discussion, but does anyone know what software that is in the first linked picture, the one that lets you look at everything the people on stations say?
I'm talking about the menu that is visible there: the houses, the systems, the stations, the characters.
It is a website. I can't recall it. I'll look for it.
' Wrote:I said I'd ignore it because the Corsair player base ignores the fact that if Zoners refuse to ship them food inRP that there should be consequences for it. Since the only people that can enforce those consequences on the Corsair player base is the Corsair player base and they refuse to acknowledge that there should be consequences, why bother with acknowledging what they want?
You tell me to have more respect for others yet you lack that respect for certain players yourself.
While you can claim you don't support my point you in fact do.
My most simple point was this. Players need to remember that their things they want for their faction might have implications for other factions, and as such should try to work with those factions on it.
I think thats really funny because the whole reason that Corsairs started paying others to bring food in was in fact a reaction to the Zoners not bringing the Corsairs food. This whole thing started with the Corsairs rping the consequences of the Zoners not brining them food. Almost 2 years ago, I went to the Council of Zoners I asked how we could get them to ship more food, I was told shipping food to the Corsairs was not profitable, was not worth their time. Not as many Zoner transports were coming to Crete brining food, meaning that the people on Crete were going to starve, so the Corsairs reached out to other people who could supply them with food. Having other groups bring the Corsairs food was not a way to ignore the Zoner rp, it was in inrp reaction to the Zoner rp, and the Zoner gameplay. It is in fact a big change in Corsair rp that we have had to go out and try to find new relations, the Corsairs have always been pretty reliant on the Zoners, allowing them to indescriminatly pirate most Sirian groups, this changes when you have to start convincing people to bring you food. Just because our reaction to the Zoners not bringing us food was not what the Zoners wanted it to be, does not mean its not a legitimate way to react.
Your larger point that I cannot support in anyway is that players should ignore player driven rp that they do not agree with.
' Wrote:I said I'd ignore it because the Corsair player base ignores the fact that if Zoners refuse to ship them food inRP that there should be consequences for it. Since the only people that can enforce those consequences on the Corsair player base is the Corsair player base and they refuse to acknowledge that there should be consequences, why bother with acknowledging what they want?
You tell me to have more respect for others yet you lack that respect for certain players yourself.
While you can claim you don't support my point you in fact do.
My most simple point was this. Players need to remember that things they want for their faction might have implications for other factions, and as such should try to work with those factions on it.
Edit: Wording confused even me.
I guess one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter eh?
What you and people like you want is for us to say that there's a disease epidemic festered by widespread long term malnutrition, started by an even more constrained food supply. In actual fact you ignore, continue to ignore and will put your hands over your ears when any reasons are given why this shouldn't be the case.
So really, its your own opinion, and nothing more.
And of course, you're justifying your opinion using the same types of arguments that we justify ours, whilst claiming the moral highground. Fair enough, except for the moral highground part.
I could claim that it is a ridiculous notion to negotiate a contract to construct, let alone actually build four biodomes (the blown up FP9 ones) in the space of less than a month in an area primarily inhabited by space pirates, on the edge of known territory, far from the vaunted supply lines you claim haunt the Corsairs so. I could also claim that blowing up the biodomes was simply an action to peddle self-interest of the Omicroners in attempting to get rid of, inRP, one of the factors for taking the station in the first place. Fair enough, but the aims of the takeover attempt were wrongly guessed and the consequences of which sneakily bypassed by means of the same kind of 'RP' you refuse to acknowledge.
So, really, its much more equal than you make it out to be. Please stop playing the Zoners off as victims.
' Wrote:I said I'd ignore it because the Corsair player base ignores the fact that if Zoners refuse to ship them food inRP that there should be consequences for it. Since the only people that can enforce those consequences on the Corsair player base is the Corsair player base and they refuse to acknowledge that there should be consequences, why bother with acknowledging what they want?
You tell me to have more respect for others yet you lack that respect for certain players yourself.
While you can claim you don't support my point you in fact do.
My most simple point was this. Players need to remember that things they want for their faction might have implications for other factions, and as such should try to work with those factions on it.
Edit: Wording confused even me.
Ok,first sorry for so much mistakes i am in work and i am typing trough iphone.
Second:consequences.
What you are saying is basically that corsairs will die without food from theta. Ok that is true.but what you are saying on that that corsairs developed relationsships and contracts that are bringing food from other system as theta is? For example IND players delivered in few days more food as zoners from theta in months...
When you are talking about consequences look on it from opposite side.has someone from zoners in theta thinking about consequences when they decoded to stop food shipments? Think about it.
Was someone thinking about scenario:we stop food,they find other resource, what then will stop them from attacking us???
And yes,i am corsair player(and lot of other factions too) and i have nothing against corsairs getting food from fp9,but i will see someone delovering it first.then we can talk about corsairs suplied from there...
See my point?
And about affects to other factions,well really only thing that is stopping corsairs from placing all the ships in theta are corsairs...there is no problem to move all the ships there and kill everything that will
move, but we dont want it because it will be bad step (talking about how i see it now,things can always change)
' Wrote:Sorry to interupt the discussion, but does anyone know what software that is in the first linked picture, the one that lets you look at everything the people on stations say?
I'm talking about the menu that is visible there: the houses, the systems, the stations, the characters.