Oh look. its this thread again. cba to find a barely amusing picture.
I sincerely believe that the players of a faction should be able to influence (note: NOT control) the RP of the faction. Hamstringing a faction in favour of 'balance' is not balance but a dogmatic approach. we openly discuss how medical advances in the disco timeline hav progressed, but corsairs getting the ability to feed themselves? oh noez!
I reckon more npc transports carrying food would be good. buff the food prices on crete, and you'll have plenty of corsairs lining om7 waving the gold transports through, in favour of a cargo only they can really take advantage of.
' Wrote:Your larger point that I cannot support in anyway is that players should ignore player driven rp that they do not agree with.
No. That is putting words in my mouth. I am not saying others should or that I have done it myself. I said I would, that means if push came to shove I would. That hasn't happened.
I'm not going to argue anything about the RP that started the Corsairs down the path to finding new food stuffs. I wasn't here when it started. I will say that for at least the past year the Zoners have been hauling food to Crete in large quantities. Yet, on the forums and in game it is as if we are but a minor player in Crete's food supply. Yet I rarely see anyone else hauling in food, albeit I am not in game watching 24/7; I do browse the forums looking for other factions doing it. I'd assume others are doing it just not posting proof on the forums. I guess they get the, we picked you to take the Zoner's spot so we'll take you at your word. When the Zoners get the, 'Proof, where is it' treatment. Now, don't take that as me saying I hate posting images. I don't particularly care if I have to post an image or not because it can be done rather easily.
@McNeo, point me to where I claimed the moral high ground. I've never done it. I think both sides have issues with each other and put themselves first. It is human nature.
Sure, you can claim I am playing Zoners as victims. Tell me this though, over the past year how many Zoners stations have been attacked in agreement with the Zoner factions? Freeport 10, Freeport 9, Freeport 5, and Corfu off the top of my head. (5 and Corfu by Joker, 10 by DeFrance, and 9 by the Corsairs) Tell me how many other factions have made those kind of agreements that many times? (Was 9 agreed upon?)
My point with that statement is this: Zoners players are very willing to role play with other factions. We role play our role as having a very weak military force, if one at all. In return we suffer through all types of grief from the majority of the server for a number of things. The Zoner player base is one of the larger ones, so it stands to reason that in a game designed around player to player interaction the Zoner player base would get a ton of it.
You know why Zoner players bitch a lot? Its because we never get left be. Never. Since I've been here its been a chain of things thrown our way. One faction or another wanting or demanding something of us. Usually it is demanding something via threats or hostilities. OPG, QCP, [A], the Corsair officials, Bretonia. Every month or so a anti Zoner group pops up and goes to town. It is annoying. It gets old. If you don't believe me, look at the number of Zoner leaders who have taken long breaks the past year or left all together.
The reaction to the Omicroners actually standing their ground against the Corsairs was one of hate. The majority of the server thinks they are in the wrong for fighting back. The Corsairs asked them to break neutrality and hand Theta over on a platter. That is something the Omicron Zoners would never have done or let happen without some type of fight, be it with weapons or through some type of economic pressure, or calling on its allies to help defend it.
My last point is simple: Go target your faction's enemies instead of always Zoners. Give them a break. Or do some mutual RP that isn't your faction blowing them up. (That wasn't directed at just your lot Zelot, but at the server player base in general.)
This is about the Corsairs, si? Go and Q.Q about zoners being owned somewhere else
On-topic: the Omnicroners RP'd the destruction of FP9's biodomes and their reconstruction in a couple of weeks on their own, without any other faction involved in the incidedents to agree, therefore removing their weakness. If they do not have food the corsairs have no need for them so yes, not beeing able to provide food was their weakness. In the same manner the corsairs can RP building biodomes. They had a few hunderd years at their disposal, not a couple of weeks, to build enough planet-based biodomes to feed themselves, so why can't they RP that without any other faction agreeing to it, like the zoners did?
' Wrote:This is about the Corsairs, si? Go and Q.Q about zoners being owned somewhere else
On-topic: the omnironers RP'd the destruction of FP9's biodomes and their reconstruction in a couple of weeks on their own, without any other faction involved in the incidedents to agree, therefore removing their weakness. If they do not have food the corsairs have no need for them so yes, not beeing able to provide food was their weakness. In the same manner the corsairs can RP building biodomes. They had a few hunderd years at their disposal, not a couple of weeks, to build enough planet-based biodomes to feed themselves, so why can't they RP that without any other faction agreeing to it, like the zoners did?
You say it is about the Corsairs then turn around and the second word you type is the Omicroners, a Zoner faction. How hypocritical of you. I'm having a discussion with Zelot. Zelot is participating, if he wishes we can take it to PMs. Otherwise I'll post here because I am talking about the Corsairs. With the exception of part of my post, which was a response to what another member said.
So I'll kindly ask you to QQ elsewhere. ::)
Not to mention your knowledge of Corsair Lore is flawed. The Corsairs haven't had a few hundred years to build bio domes. They've had the past 20. Yes, I agree they should have more.
As for the Omicroners, as the Corsairs are free to RP things in regards to their station so are they. Not sure how blowing up their only leverage was removing their weakness, perhaps rebuilding it was?
I had to remind that discussin is about Corsairs and Biodomes, so any post containing that considered in topic. Go ahead. But turning it into mindless demagogy will make me facepalm for sure.
' Wrote:You know why Zoner players bitch a lot? Omicroners actually standing their ground against the Corsairs
Theta is not Zoner controlled. it runs against what the zoners stand for. If you want to control theta, become corsairs. Omicroners stood their ground against corsairs as if they were corsairs.
@ topic
it seems that RPing unilaterally what happens to your faction is ok, unless you are corsair. This is because they need to be able to call us cannibal in system chat prior to lighting up the pewsticks
' Wrote:Theta is not Zoner controlled. it runs against what the zoners stand for. If you want to control theta, become corsairs. Omicroners stood their ground against corsairs as if they were corsairs.
@ topic
it seems that RPing unilaterally what happens to your faction is ok, unless you are corsair. This is because they need to be able to call us cannibal in system chat prior to lighting up the pewsticks
Your point? I didn't say it was Zoner controlled. I said the Corsairs demanding that the Omicron Zoners acknowledge that the Corsairs own it and follow their laws. Had they agreed to this, it would have caused issues with...........o everyone else that has a presence in Theta.
The Omicroners stood their ground because it was their factions RP to do so and also in some ways Zoner RP to do so.
RP'n unilaterally is wrong for anyone, but you knew that of course.
Edit: I'll take my discussion with Zelot to Skype or PMs. Since it may intel other issues.
' Wrote:Your point? I didn't say it was Zoner controlled. I said the Corsairs demanding that the Omicron Zoners acknowledge that the Corsairs own it and follow their laws. Had they agreed to this, it would have caused issues with...........o everyone else that has a presence in Theta.
The Omicroners stood their ground because it was their factions RP to do so and also in some ways Zoner RP to do so.
RP'n unilaterally is wrong for anyone, but you knew that of course.
Edit: I'll take my discussion with Zelot to Skype or PMs. Since it may intel other issues.
who else has a presence in theta that cares about the system. omicroners..... and the corsairs. wiki lists the BH having an interest... but they 'have an agreement with those who do'
Rping unilaterally that your biodomes are busted? wait. what?
My point was that zoners are not happy with omicroners, as you so rightly said yourself.