I like addressing issues in one shot so here we go.
Jumker Congress: short and sweet. My miner caught a glimpse of a Junker ID ship stealing ore again from miners in O-7. Didn't affect my mining operations but I'm really sure the IMG miners didn't like it too much since they were firing on it.
I'm really trying to ask you guys to be a little pro-active on this one. Again, the mining drone I own offers very reasonable prices for legal short term mining contracts. I'm trying to give out an olive branch here.
Independent Miners Guild: Hi. Every time I find myself contacting you, it only elates me that I left the guild. I'd like you to help me understand this please.
Thanks to Corsair and Junker activities, my Miner drone is quite able to take out ships now. This Taykyostuph.Industries pirate ship stole my drones mine mineral ore, then fled. Eventually, your IMG Gunboat, ID IMG|Apollyon assisted in attacking the pirate. Pirates do two things when they know they are beaten and want to live. They try to buy time, run, then cash in their chips. This one did all three. Now what struck me is the remark he made to IMG|Apollyon
'Well IMG, im sure your brethren wont like this.'
Now why do you suppose IMG would not like an IMG Gunboat captain, fighting off a pirate ship? If that remark meant an IMG ship helping a Kruger drone, again, what power would a Pirate ship have to say such a thing? What could they gain?
Ponder this one, Why would in the same minute, the same defending Gunboat captain be willing to open fire and destroy my Kruger drone? Aside from my drone never once participated or acted hostile to any IMG miner, even going to far as to mine for IMG ships, why would the drone be subject to attack? The drone and the IMG|Apollyon were openly engaging the same pirate ship.
I would be rather disappointed to find out IMG is dealing with pirates under the table as Taykyostuph.Industries remark and IMG|Apollyon immediate reaction, leads me to suspect. Help me out here IMG.
Sometimes, when all you want is to gain your freedom, you must be willing to risk it all.
My arbiter will possibly adress this himself but my own cousin has fallen victim to the columbia in the past mining in O7.
Needless to say even Congress ties arent safe from renegade ships.
If he is still using a salvager please remember they do not have cruise disruptors and they are roughly the size of a cruiser.
I am sure our stance is not to jepardize or intentionally give the Img, kruger, or anyone operating lawfully in that system any ill will or assumptions thereof.
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From: Danny Sutherland, IMG patrol vessel Apollyon, moored at Freistadt
To: Adam Spire
Subject: Ore thief
Allright, I'll keep this short since it's been a long day. As I recall I both assisted in engaging that Junker "Columbia" (who my crew will be on the lookout for, just in case he somehow manages to leave Freistadt before we turn him over to the Rheinland authorities for the thieving scum he is), and this other ore thief, "Taykyostuph.Industries".
Let me tell you the full details of this. We had already concluded our patrol when I received word from one of our miners that there was thieving going on in the north fields. So, -despite- there being no direct IMG interest, we headed out to the north fields to take a look. We encountered a single Kruger hegemon with moderate damage and a still charging shield, signs a recent engagement had occured.
After inquiring what happened, we got an intercept vector from the miner, and soon found your bot, tailing a pirate transport. We managed to disrupt it's engines, and after some cussing and shouting combat ensued. You said it yourself, pirates will try to buy time. This pirate tried to exploit corporate rivalry for this purpose. I'm sorely disappointed that you accuse us of cooperating with such thieves, when, if I might add, your bot might have a heck of a time taking on that transport alone.
We didn't buy this cur's words and engaged the vessel. Our actions speak for themselves. We disengaged only when the vessel was a burning wreck, which had already lost the stolen cargo (subsequently vaporised by the thief), incapable of being a threat to anyone, but apparantly your bot isn't able to recognize when it has won, and further agression is no longer needed.
The Independant Miners Guild takes a very dim view on thievery and piracy. This thief's destruction, if anything, should prove that. But if our "reward" for such assistance is an accusation of participating in thieving, then by all means, next time I'll look the other way if your bot runs afoul of a thief, mr. Spire. Is that your request?
And on that note, Congress, if listening in to this channel, if these junker transports and liners we get don't stop thieving in Omega 7, we'll be treating any non-Congress junker like a bloody Corsair before soon. If in doubt, we'll choose to keep our people safe first. Right now the word of an unaffiliated Junker means nothing to me. Yea. I'm angry.
Apollyon, out.
PS. Consider reprogramming your bot to prevent unneccesary loss of life.
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' Wrote:So, -despite- there being no direct IMG interest, we headed out to the north fields to take a look.
I'm relieved you had the 'heart' to investigate the matter then.
' Wrote:I'm sorely disappointed that you accuse us of cooperating with such thieves, when, if I might add, your bot might have a heck of a time taking on that transport alone.
I didn't accuse anything, I was very suspicious that you disengaged right after he made the comment. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot'¦
Quote: We disengaged only when the vessel was a burning wreck, which had already lost the stolen cargo (subsequently vaporised by the thief), incapable of being a threat to anyone, but apparantly your bot isn't able to recognize when it has won, and further agression is no longer needed.
You disengaged well before the pirate was taken out. That pirate was quite the That brazen pirate ship, demanding payments, oddly only from a Kruger mining ship not from the other IMG miner, again, straws to be grasped at, I'm sure.
As far as being a threat, I'll remind you of that when you consider destroying my mining Drone again.
Quote:The Independant Miners Guild takes a very dim view on thievery and piracy. This thief's destruction, if anything, should prove that.
The time space element in your argument is weak. IMG miners openly turn a blind eye to corsair attacks on Kruger ships. Again you must be confused. How does MY Drone, destroying the pirate ship, you backing down, and even telling me, in this comminication, to program my drone to back off when a pirate is no longer a threat, constitute you proving anything other than that IMG doesn't finish what it starts?
Quote:But if our "reward" for such assistance is an accusation of participating in thieving, then by all means, next time I'll look the other way if your bot runs afoul of a thief, mr. Spire. Is that your request?
You're a snide little SOB aren't you? Now I owe Jake 100,000 credits since he bet me the Junkers would pay me more respect then IMG did. As far as you looking the other way, I'm forced to wonder if IMG trains its captains in that policy from the word go. Your Miners sure seem to be adept at it.
And as far as my Drone's programming, it will remain the same. Mine ore for paying short term contracts, defend ALL miner ships and transports in mining zone under contract, and destroy openly hostile targets. Perhaps you would do best to follow a guideline as simple as that.
I, my freelancers, my transports, and Drone do what needs to be done. If you feel turning a blind eye and letting equipment and people die is best, then it is, of course, your call.
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Sometimes, when all you want is to gain your freedom, you must be willing to risk it all.
****Incoming Transmission****
****Comm ID: Arbiter Jack Crow****
****location: The Rocinante****
Thank you for the report, this is presented very well. I currently have a pilot stationed at Freistadt. I'll contact him immediately and ask him to look into this.
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From: Danny Sutherland, IMG patrol vessel Apollyon, moored at Freistadt
To: Adam Spire, channel participants
Subject: Re: Ore thief
Allright, let's get a few things straight.
Quote:I'm relieved you had the 'heart' to investigate the matter then.
I didn't accuse anything, I was very suspicious that you disengaged right after he made the comment. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot'¦
You disengaged well before the pirate was taken out. That pirate was quite the That brazen pirate ship, demanding payments, oddly only from a Kruger mining ship not from the other IMG miner, again, straws to be grasped at, I'm sure.
I call a vessel out of nanobots, shield batteries, and with less then 10% hull integrity whereas the pursuers are undamaged, sorely defeated. And that miner was kind enough to inform us of the situation developing - he probably was aware of the limited communications abilities of your drone. Also, our mining vessels are generally well-armed themselves and capable of holding off a single assault transport, something I suspect this thief has learned.
Quote:As far as being a threat, I'll remind you of that when you consider destroying my mining Drone again.
Truly now, when -at any point- did I threaten your drone? The thing was not a threat to the Apollyon, or anyone else who didn't have it coming, at least this time. I tried to send a few basic commands - akin to some drones in use by the IMG, but it didn't respond to those. I suspect your bot misinterpreted the following comment:
"Your choice Kruger: Live or die." - My point was that I left the fate of that thief's vessel to the bot. An error on my part apparantly since it was incapable of processing this comment.
Quote:The time space element in your argument is weak. IMG miners openly turn a blind eye to corsair attacks on Kruger ships. Again you must be confused. How does MY Drone, destroying the pirate ship, you backing down, and even telling me, in this comminication, to program my drone to back off when a pirate is no longer a threat, constitute you proving anything other than that IMG doesn't finish what it starts?
You're a snide little SOB aren't you? Now I owe Jake 100,000 credits since he bet me the Junkers would pay me more respect then IMG did. As far as you looking the other way, I'm forced to wonder if IMG trains its captains in that policy from the word go. Your Miners sure seem to be adept at it.
Yea, we don't execute thieves. We reclaim our cargo if possible, and boot the cur from the mining grounds. That is enough to protect our assets, and prevents further escalation. I take it you're a bit more brutal then us? So be it. I don't see that as a flaw on our part.
As for your insult there... I am not sorry you lost your bet. If you have complaints in regards to IMG assets not acting as Kruger's private little security wing, I suggest you forward them to Guild Command. And suspect the reply will be the same as ever: Employ your own damned guards instead of crying to us every time a Corsair, Hessian, Junker or other brigand shows up.
Quote:And as far as my Drone's programming, it will remain the same. Mine ore for paying short term contracts, defend ALL miner ships and transports in mining zone under contract, and destroy openly hostile targets. Perhaps you would do best to follow a guideline as simple as that.
Like I said. If you choose to be more brutal then me, that is your business. But don't expect me to change either.
Quote:I, my freelancers, my transports, and Drone do what needs to be done. If you feel turning a blind eye and letting equipment and people die is best, then it is, of course, your call.
I frankly don't give a rats ass about your equipment. It's people I'm more interested in keeping safe. If your bot explodes because it's limited communications capabilites cause it to call a Kusari a "dog in heat" instead of a "valued customer" then trust me, I'll have a good laugh about it with the miners on Freistadt. Personally I've never liked the deployment of autonomous, automated mining ships, but things are as they are.
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Quote: I call a vessel out of nanobots, shield batteries, and with less then 10% hull integrity whereas the pursuers are undamaged, sorely defeated.
We must be mining in a different Omega 7 system. When a Corsair attacks and anyone's hull is hovering around 10%, they don't stop there. When a Pirate raid attack ships down to 10%, they take the other 10%. When IMG and Kruger had their little spat, no one left ships at 10%. Again, you seem to have a very narrow belief system. Perhaps you do have a 'special' relationship with these pirates that transcends
Quote: Truly now, when -at any point- did I threaten your drone? The thing was not a threat to the Apollyon, or anyone else who didn't have it coming, at least this time. I tried to send a few basic commands - akin to some drones in use by the IMG, but it didn't respond to those. I suspect your bot misinterpreted the following comment:
"Your choice Kruger: Live or die." - My point was that I left the fate of that thief's vessel to the bot. An error on my part apparantly since it was incapable of processing this comment.
You must be running for some kind of political office Danny. You ignore everything you said just moments ago as if some other person said it. Let's try to take this logically. You said:
Quote: Our actions speak for themselves. We disengaged only when the vessel was a burning wreck, which had already lost the stolen cargo (subsequently vaporised by the thief), incapable of being a threat to anyone, but apparantly your bot isn't able to recognize when it has won, and further agression is no longer needed.
And
Quote: PS. Consider reprogramming your bot to prevent unneccesary loss of life.
But then you stated
Quote: "Your choice Kruger: Live or die." - My point was that I left the fate of that thief's vessel to the bot. An error on my part apparantly since it was incapable of processing this comment.
If you choose your words as flippantly as your space etiquette, I cannot understand how we can continue in this 'civil' tone. Think of it this way. A BMM and IMG ship attack an outcast and soundly beat it, The BMM craft pulls back while the IMG continues attacking. The BMM then states 'Your choice IMG Live or die.' You are honestly telling me that IMG commander won't suspect he's about to be double-crossed? Your comments are so full of inconsistencies I may as well be talking to a drugged out pirate. You pointed out your error only to turn the issue back on basic programming. If you want to talk to a machine, go talk to an IA CORE ship.
Apparently, you are incapable of processing common sense. What makes you think I would allow a Kruger drone to have accessible commands to an IMG ship? I don't even allow Kruger miners access to Drone protocols. Don't attempt to access the command routines again.
Quote: Yea, we don't execute thieves. We reclaim our cargo if possible, and boot the cur from the mining grounds. That is enough to protect our assets, and prevents further escalation. I take it you're a bit more brutal then us? So be it. I don't see that as a flaw on our part.
But you have no issues executing Kruger miners and pilots who feel they are reclaiming their ore fields? Your 'flaw' is in your reasoning.
Quote: I suggest you forward them to Guild Command. And suspect the reply will be the same as ever: Employ your own damned guards instead of crying to us every time a Corsair, Hessian, Junker or other brigand shows up.
I see humility is an attribute of IMG commanders. Again, the politician in you is screaming out. The Drone made no call for assistance, you came on your own free will, '-despite- there being no direct IMG interest'
Quote: I frankly don't give a rats ass about your equipment. It's people I'm more interested in keeping safe.
But you will exercise your right to turn a blind eye when we 'cry' for help. Thanks for the confusing clarification Danny.
//p.s. don't curse in PM, some people will use that against you.
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**** Incoming Transmission ****
From: Danny Sutherland, IMG patrol vessel Apollyon, moored at Freistadt
To: Adam Spire, channel participants
Subject: Re: Ore thief
You know. Think whatever the hell you want, Freelancer. Next time something like this happens, don't expect my help if you accuse me of crime for offering it. I'm done with this.
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// As for the cussing, yea, I did lose my temper there a little bit, apologies. Tends to happen when that thief tries to lie to me oorply, claiming he didn't steal ore when I bloody well witnessed him doing so. It's disrespectful to me as a player, and that I have a low tolerance for. Also, all of my comments in this thread, are IRP. Player to player I have no problem with anyone involved in that encounter:)
Wide awake in a world that sleeps, enduring thoughts, enduring scenes. The knowledge of what is yet to come.
From a time when all seems lost, from a dead man to a world, without restraint, unafraid and free.
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