.:j:. Junker Congress Faction Feedback

[TFinnegan]

Your ego, sina is simply astounding.
Nowhere in my comm did I say 'you'.
I said some people.
You MUST be a young kid, no adults I know have such huge conflated self image.
and if YOU feel like I'n callign you a PvP whore, perhaps it's YOUR feelings of your own attitudes you need to look into.
get bent

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[TFinnegan]

...you make yourself look like a 3-year-old...
...your rather ignorant and narrow-minded head...
...I will be forced to draw a picture with crayons of different exciting colours til' you do finally understand...
...I do wonder if you can successfully multiply one by three...
...but you seem to have big issues with reading comprehension or just understanding the concept of time in general...

When you carve away all the Bull%$^# you pile into your posts, it's quite clear you're a classless troll who flings insults like a spoiled child.
You, young man, have multiple warnings about this, while I do not.
So yell and holler and spew vile vieled insults all day.
It does not change that you are a laughing stock in this community.
Ever wonder why you're always defeneding yourself agains someone or other?
It's not them, kid, it's you.
Now, unless you want to turn our feedback thread into your own tantrum room, please be more civil.

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[Coral Reaver]

Your ego, sina is simply astounding.
Nowhere in my comm did I say 'you'.
I said some people.
You MUST be a young kid, no adults I know have such huge conflated self image.
and if YOU feel like I'n callign you a PvP whore, perhaps it's YOUR feelings of your own attitudes you need to look into.
get bent

Haha, that was a very funny attempt of you to dodge the entire post.

Please come back again.

When you carve away all the Bull%$^# you pile into your posts, it's quite celar you're a classless troll who flings insults like a spoiled child.
You, young man, have multiple warnings about this, while I do not.
So yell and holler and spew vile vieled insults all day.
It does not change that you are a laughing stock in this community.
Ever wonder why you're always defeneding yourself agains someone or other?
It's not them, kid, it's you.
Now, unless you want to turn our feedback thread into your own tantrum room, please be more civil.

It was actually you who started with this crap, I should have you know that wouldn't you taken the holier than thou seat, then I wouldn't have to rip your entire post in half and spit on it. I'm still looking for those crayons to help you understand the true concept of Role-Play.

You are as stupid as you sound in your previous post. I'm not the laughing stock of this community, some vocal kids might like to come once in a while (mostly Karlotta alts) and say "little nasty words to me" (buhuu) but you have no idea who I know, who I don't and who my friends are. Don't talk to me about acting like a kid, I recall you being the one running around like a crying baby about the fact that my character once told your character that he was stupid. Fortunately I have nothing to prove to you. I can just rest assured that I have them. I don't always defend myself against others either, please just stop, you are making yourself look like a fool.

Me being civil? You just told me to get bent. Man, your record of being a first-class hypocrite is just growing.

In both of your posts have you failed to even answer the actual issue of the meta-gaming. You are just sitting here trying to analyse my social status in an internet Forum (haha). Wanna talk feedback? How about you just answer the damn statements I put up then.

You said that the referenced material I was looking for could be found in your Molly-calling thread which you linked me. I said that nothing in that thread had anything to do with Mollys shooting in the name of the Congress (as in, telling the enemy about it) until the very last post, which was timestamped an entire day after the message dump post, invalidating your entire argument. Got anything to say about that?

[Jack_Henderson]

the true concept of Role-Play.

Oh wise man, enlighten us on the one and only, the "true concept of roleplay".

Sorry to troll, but this really caught the attention of a person who has been playing roleplay games for almost 20 years and who knows 1 thing about roleplay: there are many... many ways.

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[Coral Reaver]

Oh wise man, enlighten us on the one and only, the "true concept of roleplay".

Sorry to troll, but this really caught the attention of a person who has been playing roleplay games for almost 20 years and who knows 1 thing about roleplay: there are many... many ways.

Oh I'm not claiming that I'm so wise as to telling you what the "best Role-Play" definition is or not, but it sure as hell is not directly linked to your writing skills, or how much you write. Which was the entire point of his little side-tracked argument. Role-Play is playing a role, simple as that, writing is a component of Role-Play - yes - but it does not equal Role-Play. Got a better one to share?

Ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome the imminent Karlotta (Wayne_Dunlop) post. I suspect it will be filled with boring crap about what I did a year ago. These are the kinds of "people" I believe TFinnegan was talking about being "always against me". Proud to say that I'm against Karlotta and all his sad forms.

[Coral Reaver]

How about all of you shut the frak up and make a new thread for this, or, better yet, go to PMs or a skype call. (The latter is a funny way too, because you do not give the other the privilege to weight their reply, its funny)

Let me say this, I have had good encounters with the congress on my junkers, my miners, my rogues and my outcasts. Same with the KPT on my Hogoshas, IMG as well as freelancers. However, hawk, think about stuff like stagnation, it is a bad thing to have. If you see the faction has entered a small stich like this one here, simply swap the leader.

It usually solves the problem as the two leaders of the sudden whining and trolling are no longer in control and someone else with a clear head can see what they can do with what is left.
In other words, stfu, this thread has been sitting on the first page far too long.

No, I will not "shut the frak up". If they remain stubborn as to actually answer the issue of meta-gaming then I will remain equally stubborn to receive a proper answer. Or maybe they just have an issue admitting they did a mistake. If you haven't noticed, all these extras coming to try side-track the Feedback are coming on their own behalf, I have not invited them, it's just they who likes to pick up the argument-torch.

[DarthBindo]

You are as stupid as you sound in your previous post. I'm not the laughing stock of this community, some vocal kids might like to come once in a while (mostly Karlotta alts) and say "little nasty words to me" (buhuu) but you have no idea who I know, who I don't and who my friends are.

Your Joe's personal attack dog.
Don't think we dont know that.

No, I will not "shut the frak up". If they remain stubborn as to actually answer the issue of meta-gaming then I will remain equally stubborn to receive a proper answer. Or maybe they just have an issue admitting they did a mistake. If you haven't noticed, all these extras coming to try side-track the Feedback are coming on their own behalf, I have not invited them, it's just they who likes to pick up the argument-torch.

They have answered the issue. You have simply refused to accept their answer beacuse then you would be wrong.
As for all the "extras", if your so righteous, why should you care?
Some of us here actually like to defend our friends.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Coral Reaver]

You have friends who are very influencial, and probably in the mod or admin team. We all got that. Doesn't make you right about everything.

Talking about stupid...

Just answer this...

Why do you think that if you write "blocked to all junkers", a freelancer or any other of those who has a junker friend (you left it open to ALL freelancers and criminals) wont tell his junker friend about it?

Just answer that, because I am too stupid to see the reason.

Yes all [A]dmins are working with me in this big conspiracy. As always you take words into a literal sense and draw your global warming conclusions.

Had you actually just read the posts instead of rage-posting the second you saw my name on the View New Post screen you would have noticed that the Bounty argument was settled pages back. This is about a DHC-Transmission that contained information sent only to the KPT/RM about a Scylla claiming to be shooting KPT members in the name of the Junker Congress in Sigma-13. One thread that sparked a Congress Message Dump Post about the exact same thing (as in Hawk's character knowing about the situation) and I'm here asking for some referenced material how he could figure that one out. Considering the fact that:

A: No .:J:. chars were present.
B: From the point of Hawk's post (the time that is) no Molly informed them about this.

The answers I have received so far are:

- Since Scylla is such a big ship the Yanagi Board Control could have picked up the message.

- They have many "private friends" who told them. An explanation you can basically summarize as "a little birdie" told me. When asked for anything they could source you to they say it was over Skype or Private Transmissions. Nice joke.

- Junkers have many friends, I'm sure one of them would somehow mysteriously fly past at the exact right time to hear it in space and then promptly warn Hawk, but only after the DHC-Transmission.

- A Molly-thread is linked to me but the timestamp shows clearly that the referenced post, the last one, being an entire day in advance of the message dump I referenced to, thus invalidating it.

- I'm a PvP-whore and Role-Play is about writing. (Doesn't have anything to do with the issue but it's not fair to not include Finnegan's explanations.)

Your Joe's personal attack dog.
Don't think we dont know that.

They have answered the issue. You have simply refused to accept their answer beacuse then you would be wrong.
As for all the "extras", if your so righteous, why should you care?
Some of us here actually like to defend our friends.

Yeah go and defend your friend then. Too bad you can't even form a post that makes sense. I left the [LN] due to Joe, we had differences that couldn't be settled. I love to see how that makes me his personal attack dog. I'm drawing funny "attack dog" parallels here about you stomping in without even reading about the issue at hand "protecting your friends". But hey, some people do indeed have issues with multiplying one by three.

The "explanations" I have received have been ridiculous and inconsistent, they are made up "as we go", all of them have been summarized a little bit above. Feel free to analyse the credibility and logic behind them, but I'm sure your biased mind will come up with something.

[Zelot]

Herr Voelkel,

On that point, you say that Holstein would have recieved the refugees, but forgive my saying so, but after intercepting numerous communiques between your government and the Kempetai itself - the reason we evacuated Yanagi in the first place - we felt you were not to be trusted. Not with the lives of our women and children.
Surely you would have made the same decisions in our boots, had you foreknowledge of comms between your mortal enemies and people offering aid.
Our comm arrays at Yanagi are not lacking technical expertise, and our ears, dear herr, are wide open.
Forewarned is forearmed.

Seriously, can you guys do anything without metagamming? You know, I dont like complaining about this stuff, but at this point it seems that the Junnkers Congress official faction stance is that they have access to every message in the comm channel. No, the Junkers cannot just intercept communications between Kusari and Rheinland, no more than the Kusari can intercept communications between the Junkers and the Outcasts. It really seems that it is becoming a big problem.

So, how bout you guys explain to me how a little birdy told you about highly encrypted communications between the KPT and the Rheinland military high command? Or are you just going to admit that you read a comm in the comm channel that, in character, you didnt have accsess to, and used it to make a point. It's called metagamming and it would be nice if you all would man up and admit it.

3. If a transmission is not directed at your characters, your characters should not know about it.

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[Coral Reaver]

If the guy landed on a junker base, it is very plausible that the junker congress would know about it.

You didnt convince me that it wouldn't be yet.

If a guy lands on a Junker Base your argument is that the Congress are automatically told of it.

--> Information-based consequence. A consequence doesn't necessarily mean it has to carry a negative effect.

A smuggler lands on Manhattan Planet but is not received any consequence (FR5 or Fine) until an actual player takes the evidence and reports about it to the authorities. Even though the same logic could be applied the consequences are not automatic, which in your case they are. Had I used this argument against all smugglers they would refuse to Role-Play out a fine/FR5, even the authority players would refuse

--> Information-based consequence.
--> Same logic applied in two valid situations where only one is workable.

--> Try again.