hrm okay this conversation has been brought up about 1million times and last time i checked lads this aint no AW flaming session. same to you dab bud its a AW and LSF section. lets not turn it into a inter zoner / corsair bash session. (probably to late) but yeh as everyone said LSF are far from AW's friends lets leave it there shall we.
ok im shutting up now because this matter has nothing to do with me now
Actually HF were too busy to attack Gamma. They were protecting Magellan and Vespucci from SA, LSF, Phantoms, BSG, SCRA, and the random Corsair raid or two. We got involved against SCRA, and it was a few days afterwards that TBH got involved. I'm not trying to be the hero here, I'm just saying that you shouldn't place the blame of this war starting on me. Nor am I saying TBH didn't have a right to start a war with us. SCRA and TBH are allied or very close to being so, and we were fighting SCRA (though I don't think we had fought in Gamma yet, it was all Theta and O-41). The only wars AW got involved to for the reason of helping our allies was with SA and that last one with SF, when they attacked Magellan.
Our ally's situations have certainly affected alot of reputations though, such as making SCRA and TBH unfriendly, but that wasn't made into hostile until SCRA shot one of them in Theta. The only reason I'm caring about who started it is because I'm always being BLAMED for it starting, AND for continuing, even though I've made numerous offers to end it, both in RP and out of it. If I wasn't being blamed all the time, I wouldn't care who started it. But people are saying false 'facts' to use in political agendas. You TWIST words in political battles, not create entire lies for it.
BTW, I'm not saying that Luciaden, and now Val'ren were not bloodthirsty and enjoyed the slaughter every once in awhile, but regardless of their RP actions, their mentality isn't how I run AW. I don't create massacres, except in RP stories. The closest we got to it was AW bombing the Benitez Villa, which was done because Benitez had just declared war, then tried to 'take control of Corfu.'
You seem so confident that AW never starts any hostilities Dab, and no matter how much everyone around you except AW tell you your wrong, you continue in your stubborn attitude thinking you are completely justified in all your actions. Whats more, you aren't even discrete about it. Many people can see straight through your smartly toned words and your colourful rhetoric, and I must say, we aren't amused at all.
I would try to address your points, Dab, but it wont ever convince you, even if I am right. It would simply be a waste of time to convince anyone, yourself or those in your entourage, because it would simply be impossible. You would spin an argument against our case like you have so many times before, or simply not address the issue at all, like you have done countless times. And your reasoning for not responding?
"I don't want to be in a flamewar."
Of course, you don't mention with that reason that AW is almost always the cause of some argument, because so many people disagree with their policies. Just because Igiss said you can be Zoners, doesn't mean that you still are. Times change. You can't be the same AW that you were when you formed.
Lets take an example:
The Zoners council thread. A bit like the League of Nations. All it takes is one state (In this case AW) Not following the decisions of the council, and it all breaks down. True, it hasn't happened yet, but you'd state you'd do whatever you like to do regardless of the rulings of the Zoners that control the rights for you to protect and land on bases in Omicron Theta.
' Wrote:Actually Templar, and this you know full well, the BSG DID shoot first. My internet crashed when BSG was still about 6k away. By the time I restarted the router and logged back on, the other NovaPG (pay attention to who your fighting) were dead and I was being shot by one of the Albatrosses. Before the black screen finished loading. I should even have screenshots. (I'll check when I get home.)
And the reason we were there was because TBH helped SCRA in the war, then refused the first peace treaty we offered. And Benitez and OPG began helping them in battles. We retaliated. We left the BSG alone, even when you were attacking Vespucci, and did so in Gamma until I was shot at. Of course, seeing as how BSG are self-admitting 'Fellow Corsairs' as you said in Gamma, I can see how you would shoot a non-combatant.
And now BSG have attacked Theta 3-4 times, and we even found one of you docking Freeport XV in Omicron-74. I think thats plenty of reason to retaliate. And even chase you to Tau-23, where you ran to after the Caedo told you it would stop you from entering the Omicrons, and you cruised around and entered Alpha. We retaliated in Tau-37, where you then retreated to Tau-23, and we followed.
So if you don't think we should have crossed swords, you shouldn't have shot first.
Dab..me, as one of the leaders of BSG, have always spoken that IMG, and that means BSG too, wont ever attack zoners. We don't have nothing against zoners and we we always help them. I, personally never intended to fight against any zoner. Also, your "blockade" of freeport 10 and alpha jh in tau 37...explain that to me in RP sense...If outcasts are afraid of us raiding them in Alpha let them blockade the JH... God knows they are strong enough to do that. And the FACT IS outcasts are IMG RP enemies.
So what i see here, is AW going against RP...BSG, as IMG has full right to help TBH as they are Corsairs and IMG and Corsairs are on the same side in that outcast vs corsair war. I personally led first mission to help TBH and there was only one AW eagle there. He fired first at us. I ordered to all my fleet that shooting on zoners is forbidden. Event that you mention happened later.
You all accuse BSG of being pvp whores, of being very aggressive and doing what we shouldn't do.
Every time there is BSG online one of BIG ALLIANCE (101st , AW, HF, NovaPG, Bushido) attacks us. Even private chars aligned with Outcasts in any way finds some way to attack us. Well, when we get attacked we WILL retaliate. I always listen how BSG are cap whores too...and i find that funny...nobody except me didnt mention one certain event that has happened two weeks ago when one viper and one bomber killed 2 destroyers with 101st tag, one outcast destroyer flown by private char and one who fled from us...leaving only Browning living..you see...i flew the viper and all that i could see is big ships coming at us..not one sabre came our way... Your AW general who you are so proud of...attacks our vipers in GB...so..you see...we have right to retaliate with big ships...
I don't care about any RP explanations, i don't consider AW to be zoners, but as long as they carry Zoner tag i will reduce contact with AW to a minimum...Thats for me personally...and if things get out of hand i will issue order to whole BSG to avoid any contact with AW...I don't like idea of IMG and Zoners fighting each other and i stay by it.
Dont be mistaken, as i said to Ripper, in PM few days ago, i am very well aware of the fact that if BSG and AW go to war that all of your allies will help you...no matter how far from RP that can be...i saw it before, and i don't doubt that i will see it again. BSG cant compete with 4 or 5 factions...but we do fight our fight alone
I have been here for two years now...never had any trouble with AW until recently..in past few moths things are getting out of hand...Igiss may have been right to say AW should be zoners, back THEN..now it is just wrong...if you wish to keep your alignments, your way of foreign politics, and general behavior of being better then the rest, feel free...but calling yourself zoner in that case is wrong..
also i do agree with McNeo, i feel this is lost cause...and no matter any of us say you will continue to do things your way, no matter how right we are...
best example of that will be your answer to this post...