' Wrote:Snak3, do you know how much effort it takes to import a faction from Warhammer 40,000 that everyone hates? Very, very little. If you read the Phantoms' lore, you'd know they are cyborg murderers who worship the C'Tan, who are funnily enough the gods of the Necrons, murderous cyborgs from WH40k. Any other questions about effort and time?
I'm surprised that there are indeed some people who didn't know this.
' Wrote:Truth is, Somni is being smashed for idea that is supposed to promote roleplay. Thats anew here.
There is no truth in your statement. His idea is being smashed because he has an idea that can work with almost any ID but he specifically wants the Phantom ID and ship line. If he was serious about the role play of his idea, he'd use Merc/Freelancer IDs, build up the group, become official, then request to become the new Phantoms.
On top of that, the Phantom ID doesn't fit with his suggested role play, why would intelligence brokers need terrorist IDs? Why would intelligence brokers need their own ship line? They'd much prefer to blend in, which means using civilian stuff.
I don't want to see the Phantoms stuff be removed myself, but as I've already said; role playing a terrorist faction requires cooperation if you want it to be more than an in game PvP-fest.
' Wrote:Snak3, do you know how much effort it takes to import a faction from Warhammer 40,000 that everyone hates? Very, very little. If you read the Phantoms' lore, you'd know they are cyborg murderers who worship the C'Tan, who are funnily enough the gods of the Necrons, murderous cyborgs from WH40k. Any other questions about effort and time?
Actually, they changed the entire back story just as they disbanded it. All of the Phantom leaders I know felt that the back story you quoted didn't fit with Disco and wanted to change it. Which they did a good job in my eyes, but then disbanded.
If they are then why would you want to hold their name and image?
@ Jeremy,
What's wrong with my opinion that he shouldn't do it?
I and Bindo tried reviving [MR] and we got heavy resistance. And it wasn't "elite" faction. We complied with it.
While Sommi keeps pushing it. I said that it's possible with Pirate ID. Dead faction is dead. He should respect its wish.
' Wrote:The former leaders/members/whatever of the phoms will tell you that they don't want someone else to start working on a faction after all the hard work they did, bla bla bla.
' Wrote:So basically all you want is the name and ID?
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"Exactly. You need ex-Phantoms' leader for this. Also, I hold Phantoms as ruthless, wicked killers. Information selling seems so ... Humanish and sane. Does not fit the whole image Phantoms have now." -Snake
Yeah so you'd rather just have them acquire no point to really exists other than to kill. That's why they developed their newer missions because they seen how little they impact anything if their only job was to kill at will. SAME will happen to any group who's only purpose is to kill senselessly.
But if you want to RP this group and all that go write up a background get a new name and make your own 'feared' faction.
So get the Phantom's PR and good name without having to work for it? C'mon be real with us you want the IMPORT ships that are "crap" according to you and the "SOUND" of the faction. That makes no sense seriously give it up. Phantoms ARE DONE BECAUSE THE LEADERSHIP SAID SO.
FAIL NAIL IN THE PHANTOM'S COFFIN WAS A BULLET THROUGH THE SKULL OF THE LAST PHANTOM.
Leave it alone already and go write up a faction.
' Wrote:The ships are the the butt end of Discovery. Redo all the models and turn them into civilian line ships nerf whatever supposely makes them desirable, instant personal ship line - you can't haz cause we uber, and there problem solved we have Phantom ships.
As for
Where? I don't see it anywhere? *looks high and low* I don't see it? Point it out to me. Because all I see is the idea of ...having something of RP based faction yet not an actual composed writing of it. So tell me where it resides.
:lol:
Somni, I really don't understand why you want this new idea to be connected to the Phantoms in any way. Looks like you forgot the times when they were still around on the server causing trouble. If you really have an idea and you think it's worth fighting for, take it to Igiss and ask for a total conversion of anything related to Phantoms. Use a different name, change the Phom ID to fit your project, remodel or at least retexture the phom ships and guns and so on... you will have some work to do and you can't hope to get it in 4.86 (because it's a lie) but maybe you'll get them in 4.87. And for the love of everything, don't make it elitist and PvP oriented. Good luck but don't get your hopes too high.
Also, remember how old the Phantoms are compared to present day Faction lores.
Pre 484 had way much more different settings and requirements stop equating things that started years ago to today's standards. Because they themselves tried to and sought no future in it.
Normal ID's
New Civilian Line
New name
New story
New encounters
New wars
New senseless killing
' Wrote:There is no truth in your statement. His idea is being smashed because he has an idea that can work with almost any ID but he specifically wants the Phantom ID and ship line. If he was serious about the role play of his idea, he'd use Merc/Freelancer IDs, build up the group, become official, then request to become the new Phantoms.
On top of that, the Phantom ID doesn't fit with his suggested role play, why would intelligence brokers need terrorist IDs? Why would intelligence brokers need their own ship line? They'd much prefer to blend in, which means using civilian stuff.
I don't want to see the Phantoms stuff be removed myself, but as I've already said; role playing a terrorist faction requires cooperation if you want it to be more than an in game PvP-fest.
So basically this is down again to ohuwantpvpID thing? Come on. Whats so bad about stepping into something long dead?
I have been playin on server for over two years, countless hundreds of hours and I have met Phantoms what, two times? First it was unlucky skillnub who fell to my less armoured gunboat, secondly it was bunch of OCs friends who came with 3 gunboats to shoot CR and left.
No wonder they got disbanded and now, when someone wants to continue Phantoms, be it new way, is smashed and you lot say - do this n that and then you can haz. Instead of showing some support to fresh idea, you stomp it, blaming guns ships and ID.
And to your why you need terrorist ID and own ship line. If you want to start thinkin ingame reality, then please do not. Everybody today wants their own ship line, even we are getting our own (CR that is and nobody will haz har har). What is wrong about using few ships in the mod for something? Instaed of that lets do something really really unusual, pirate / FL / merc IDed whatnot civilian ships flying from all the same bases into all the same areas in hope to sometimes get permission to fly unused inactive tech.
Or you be mean cuz you did not come with the idea and want the ship for yourself?
EDIT - be it or not, any attempt to write up stuff does not enable you to shoot anybody also, making any attempt to be terrorist of a sort futile.
' Wrote:On top of that, the Phantom ID doesn't fit with his suggested role play, why would intelligence brokers need terrorist IDs?
No.He wants the Phantoms to become intelligence brokers,meaning that it would no longer be a Terrorist ID anymore.
At least that is what I gather from his posts.
Inb4 admin.
I fail to see how and why people keep pushing the same button over and over again. I told you already a million god damn times. I ONLY WANTED THE PHANTOM ID/IFF/PLACE CAUSE THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING THE PLACE MOMENTARILY. If the Phantom leaders could agree on a whim and completely change their story just like that, why should I have to stick with the same roleplay? Do tell, why do you have this GOD forsaken and stupid view on everything? I'm not easily angered, but this is starting to vex me, why do people shoot down stuff they haven't thought of themselves? Oh and zigeris, I'm keeping an eye on you. I know you're starting a terrorist faction, and since the phantoms are gone... well the math isn't that hard to do, now is it.
Sucks to be a weight on the wrong side of the brilliance-insanity scale.