(10-04-2013, 06:18 PM)Dacul Wrote: Yeah, this might work. I would add that in order to bring all houses together, this faction should try (by any means) to install their members as leaders of the houses; or at least supporters of their cause.
Because everyone wants to boss around and no one would willingly give up their position in order to "unite" under one leadership, unless it shares your vision.
Of course, this will never happen, but role playing your attempts to do it will be one of the actions this faction would take part to.
This has been already considered, there will be 5 representatives of the 5 houses and they will stay at their places and will be working on their part. Each house representative will have their field of experties, as an example the rheinland representativ knows the Rheinland ground, its territory, how the military works and at least 40% - 50% of their Roleplay and ZOI restrictions. The other members will RP as the Freelancers they are inside the faction. Also only the approved House representatives can meet with each other, it has to be connected with their ZOI, as an example the Bretonian representative can meet the Liberty one, or the Rheinland one can meet up with the Kusari, but he can't enter Liberty or Bretonia, which would be out of their ZOI. It gives the 5 leaders 2 seperate RP possibilities, 1st one as the house they're representing, the 2nd one as the Freelancer inside the faction.
(10-04-2013, 06:18 PM)Dacul Wrote: Yeah, this might work. I would add that in order to bring all houses together, this faction should try (by any means) to install their members as leaders of the houses; or at least supporters of their cause.
Because everyone wants to boss around and no one would willingly give up their position in order to "unite" under one leadership, unless it shares your vision.
Of course, this will never happen, but role playing your attempts to do it will be one of the actions this faction would take part to.
I wonder what would SCRA would say about it. They doesn't like Four Houses, yet they doesn't like the idea of unifying them even more. The problem is, that this would ignite yet more civil wars in Four Houses, what is less than unwanted. Kusari is like on the brink of such war I believe, because not all would love just to throw away the Emperor. Heck, I believe that even about 1/3 of KNF would just go rogue for Kusari Exiles and the Emperor. The Liberty Navy isn't safe as well, because if the rumor of the next Liberty Navy's infestation would be true, most of those who know about it would just leave for The Order, leaving less and less crew for Heavy Guns. Not only military guys, but also the commercial and civilian ones.
As described above... There will be only representatives doesn't mean they'll be something like Kusari's Leader or Liberty s Leader, trust me thats not our intention. This faction by all means is not here to boss around the Houses, nor do they have the right to do it, all we're doing here is to show the Houses, be an example somehow an idol. Us getting along even though we have like civilians from all 5 houses, to show them that it works without war. Also speaking of Civil Wars, we're here to prevent this actually, it's an inside thing, something that might blew up the Houses minds to actually see and think "What the hell are we doing?" or "What happened to us..." we aren't supposed to fight each other, it should let them remember from where they came here and what their purpose was in sirius from the beginning. They've fought the Coalition, but now they fight against each other? That message has to be delivered to the Houses somehow, and we're gonna do it. End this sensless war, this faction will RP this. Along with the proccess we don't want any unnecessary disturbers, talking about the coalition and criminals, which we gonna fight, because uniting the Houses isn't an easy process and even harder if there are unlawfuls around making the Houses even more mad, so we can't have them disturbing this operation.
Hey, I can't even read what you wrote and I'm bored so I'm going to style it for you to use if you want or not want, but also so I can understand this faction! Here goes.
Edit: Now having read it, I like the faction idea, it certainly does make sense to me, has my thumbs up. Give me a buzz if I can help you guys in any way!
Narrator: It was the 23rd century. Mankind’s darkest hour. Computer: Heart rate and respiration: nominal. Life support on-line. Initiating cryogenic freezing. Commencing pod lock-down. Sleeper Ship: …to Control. IR is complete. Bringing navigation systems on-line. Control: Copy that. Green-green across the board. Sleeper Ship: Good to hear. Bringing primary engines on-line. How’s it looking up there? Control: All systems are go. Launch in T minus ten mintues and counting. Sleeper Ship: Control? Incoming hostiles, ten minutes out. Should I abort? Control: Negative. Launch is still a go.
Narrator: The war had been raging for almost a hundred years. We had been fighting for so long no-one could remember the reason why it had all started in the first place. All we knew is that there were two sides: The Coalition and The Alliance. For decades, millions died for the same piece of rock again and again. Finally, one side managed to gain the upper hand: The Coalition.
Control: Coalition carriers coming out of jump. All fighters engage! ASF One, we have lift-off. ASF Two, you are clear. Three is a go. Narrator: In desperation, the Alliance launched five sleeper ships. The hope was for them to begin again far from the war and strife that had befallen Earth, to start free from the prejudices that had divided us for so long. Each sleeper ship was christened after its patron nation: The Bretonia. The Rheinland. The Hispania. The Kusari. The Liberty. Escorts: I think we got them! Yee-haw!
Narrator: Against all odds, the colony ships broke through the Coalition blockade and headed for the Sirius system. That was 800 years ago, when we came here to rebuild our lives. We’ve come a long way since then. We have grown. We have prospered. We have flourished. But we will never forget.
Yes, seems like everyone has forgot about the last part:
"We will never forget."
Atticus Rockford made it back to manhattan, when you hear him clearly say "I knew back then that I was spared for a purpose"
The Alliance came into Sirius, settled in, had the issue with the Nomads, still having though, and now they're at war with each other... A great accomplishment I must say! However, we wont fall for this. The idea of this new Faction is about a group of Freelancers getting united and trying to unite the 5 Houses (Liberty, Rheinland, Kusari, Bretonia and Hispania (Corsairs seem to be the only choice for Hispania) in a peaceful way. Basically, to restore the old Alliance. In helping the Houses clean the unlawfulls, we've come to an Idea that the unlawfuls may be one of the many purposes which causes the Houses to fight each other.
The Nomads are still around and as Atticus Rockford warned us about humanities real enemy we have to prepare and be on guard. Those Freelancers are actual "remnants" of Atticus Rockford, followers of his purpose, a combination of The Alliance, the slogan "We will never forget" and of course those Freelancer remind the old elite wing the 45th Volunteers back in Sol War. They got their names as the "Tigers". Those have been group of civilians which just had experience in fighting but soon got a famous and reliable member of the Alliance. An Idol to be remembered... They gave hope to the Alliance as they were falling under the Coalition hands. The Tigers simply together with the Alliance turned the cards back in the Sol War, but it didn't hold for long after the Coalition took over Sol.
However, they've been able to give hope into this, and our faction wants to give hope in ending this war between the houses and get one, once again. The Nomads are our main priority but there are still the Coalition around, this group also fears that the Coalition might once again block them in advancing and actually be able to defend themselves, so the Coalition got their secondary objective. They blame the Coalition for Sol, they think if that nonsense Sol War wouldn't have happened, humanity might have advanced and we might have been able to defend ourselves in a way, so they see the current Sirius Coalition as a threat and they will fight them.
The Gallia also seeks revenge on the Alliance, that's why they gonna be our third objective, maybe even together with the Coalition in our second objective. As mentioned, we will never forget! Please be aware that this is a long termed goal, it's repeating itself, I know uniting the Houses might never be possible but we're a group which actually wants to try it and that's gonna be a long term goal which will keep us always in tact and active, cause we've a repeating process, something that never ends.
Technically a Sirius Alliance (Don't mark this as the factions name yet, just the idea behind) building up by Freelancers and civilians of the different Houses. Together with this goal, we gonna use a fitting name, but first your feedbacks to this please, the name will be discussed later.
Don't you (actually, we, I'm in it, too) have a faction with a similar (almost identical) purpose?
You already have another faction, the Shades of Sol (I'm in it), with a very similar objective (to unify Sirius, while this one wants to unify most of it...not so much difference...). What's the point of creating an otherwise identical faction? (although less warlike and more on the side of the law)
If you do go on, then a good name for it would be something like "the Committee for Allied friendship" or something like that, in short simply "the Commitee".
Yeh I've the Shades of Sol too, the point is, all the time in Discovery, I've always tried to build up a lore for an unlawful faction, made so many factions and in the end the Shades of Sol was born, again unlawful. The Shades of Sols goal is more harsh, extremists, like mentioned on the description. Shades of Sol has no interest in restoring the Alliance, like we've talked about it, SoS would've been a 3rd party if it would've been alive back in Sol. So no, this is definitly different, while Shades of Sol tries to do this in the unlawful way, this new faction will be it's lawful one. Also Shades of Sol tries to overthrow the Houses, did I mention anything about overthrowing in here? Shades of Sol are way more agressive, their ways are different. Thanks for the replies! Much appreciated everyone. "The Committee for Allied friendship" sounds not realy like a goal of uniting the Houses, but can be my opinion , but yah the name wouldn't fit us.
You have the Order for the express purpose of hunting nomads, The Coalition in the grand scheme of things currently isn't really a threat to the rest of Sirius, and everyone and their dog shoots Gallia already.
The idea of bringing all of the houses together is kind of different, but totally impractical in theory. Even assuming you did succeed, the mod would suddenly become a lot less interesting because conflict = activity and the basis for roleplay. Having everyone just get along would only make things boring.
The "have them unite against Gallia/Coalition/Squids" sounds nice in theory, but in reality people don't like being vastly outnumbered and everybody also likes to play the good guy, so you'd see almost no players on their side, especially considering the fact that one of them is closed.
I do see what you're getting at and it isn't badly written, but it simply wouldn't work out.
Now, if you tried this on a smaller scale, maybe a group attempting to unify Hispania (something I've wanted to see for a long long time) and did it well, then that might be pretty interesting.
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(10-05-2013, 07:39 AM)Snake Wrote: Yeh I've the Shades of Sol too, the point is, all the time in Discovery, I've always tried to build up a lore for an unlawful faction, made so many factions and in the end the Shades of Sol was born, again unlawful. The Shades of Sols goal is more harsh, extremists, like mentioned on the description. Shades of Sol has no interest in restoring the Alliance, like we've talked about it, SoS would've been a 3rd party if it would've been alive back in Sol. So no, this is definitly different, while Shades of Sol tries to do this in the unlawful way, this new faction will be it's lawful one. Also Shades of Sol tries to overthrow the Houses, did I mention anything about overthrowing in here? Shades of Sol are way more agressive, their ways are different. Thanks for the replies! Much appreciated everyone. "The Committee for Allied friendship" sounds not realy like a goal of uniting the Houses, but can be my opinion , but yah the name wouldn't fit us.
The Shades of Sol, as I remember, became a terrorist group because their political party was illegalized. This one...well, it's in the early stages of SoS history, if you know what I mean.
For the name..."Committee of/for <something>" should be awesome. From what I understood, this is a political pressure group, so "Committee" just fits perfectly, imho.
(10-05-2013, 08:13 AM)Durandal Wrote: You have the Order for the express purpose of hunting nomads, The Coalition in the grand scheme of things currently isn't really a threat to the rest of Sirius, and everyone and their dog shoots Gallia already.
The idea of bringing all of the houses together is kind of different, but totally impractical in theory. Even assuming you did succeed, the mod would suddenly become a lot less interesting because conflict = activity and the basis for roleplay. Having everyone just get along would only make things boring.
The "have them unite against Gallia/Coalition/Squids" sounds nice in theory, but in reality people don't like being vastly outnumbered and everybody also likes to play the good guy, so you'd see almost no players on their side, especially considering the fact that one of them is closed.
I do see what you're getting at and it isn't badly written, but it simply wouldn't work out.
Now, if you tried this on a smaller scale, maybe a group attempting to unify Hispania (something I've wanted to see for a long long time) and did it well, then that might be pretty interesting.
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If someone will ever unify the Houses, then this surely will not happen within Disco's times. Despite the political pressure by Snake's group, the Houses will not unify not even if you point a gun at their leaders' mouths, thus making the primary objective simply unreachable, reducing everything, as I said, to a sort of brotherhood and political pressure group.
I'll never understand attempts at unifying Hispania, by the way. Outcasts and Corsairs are TOO MUCH divided...starting from physiology...And the differences here aren't black people versus white people, but humans against...semi-humans? subhumans? You got what I mean...
(10-05-2013, 08:13 AM)Durandal Wrote: You have the Order for the express purpose of hunting nomads, The Coalition in the grand scheme of things currently isn't really a threat to the rest of Sirius, and everyone and their dog shoots Gallia already.
The idea of bringing all of the houses together is kind of different, but totally impractical in theory. Even assuming you did succeed, the mod would suddenly become a lot less interesting because conflict = activity and the basis for roleplay. Having everyone just get along would only make things boring.
The "have them unite against Gallia/Coalition/Squids" sounds nice in theory, but in reality people don't like being vastly outnumbered and everybody also likes to play the good guy, so you'd see almost no players on their side, especially considering the fact that one of them is closed.
I do see what you're getting at and it isn't badly written, but it simply wouldn't work out.
Now, if you tried this on a smaller scale, maybe a group attempting to unify Hispania (something I've wanted to see for a long long time) and did it well, then that might be pretty interesting.
Thread moved to appropriate forum section as well.
The idea of unifying Hispania is involved in this, but a little different. Since the Outcasts have connections with the Nomads, the Corsairs seem more reasonable to start with. If the cards turn out well, this faction might be able to unify em, since they both together as a bunch are part of the Hispania. Like I mentioned above, of course this will never happen, the unification of the Houses, however, to RP to unify the Houses imho, that's what this is about, to have an own solid ground. Of course, you might be right about that it'll never happen to unify the Houses, but you get my point, the RP in trying it, a group which tries it from the inside, while most of the people tried it from the outside. The Order has its own ways, they have no interest in unifiying the Houses, I've RPed with the Order and they've clearly shown me that they're not interested in unifying the houses, they keep the nomads at bay but its different. Having a group which represents the Houses and fighting the Nomads is way more interesting than a criminal organisation which does this all secretly.