That thread, and post from me regarding the TAZ's absence from liberty is something of a temporary measure to show that there are consequences to actions. More than once Naval officers have been outright insulted by TAZ members and other zoners. Smuggled past when we weren't allowed to interdict transports and then one of your people pushed it over the limit by voicing support for a criminal gorup who the LN were enganed in combat with.
It's a temporary measure. Just deal with it for a week, then politely ask to come back in. It's not a massively huge deal.
The post from Sarah Willows in the thread contains the name.
' Wrote:But for now, I suggest you stay quiet, it was the chatter of one of your lot, some Tomoe Kashiwhatever, that made the entire paperwork mountain with your screw-ups topple over the fine line between the tolerable and intolerable.
' Wrote:one of your people pushed it over the limit by voicing support for a criminal gorup who the LN were enganed in combat with.
7 Navy ships pursuing an Eagle is perhaps stretching the definition of 'engaged' somewhat. The gunboat was only firing sporadically, I guess, so more like 6. Though it became a mite fairer when the HF showed up, it was still mostly an exercise in staying alive and hoping more help showed up (it did. Kinda. I got away alive, at least). And, before anyone asks, there's a solid in-character reason that the Eagle was making for a certain reddish-purple cloud for.
Please don't take the above as a flame. It's not. I learned a trick or two from it all, in the end. Still, 7? I suspect that just 1 of them would have been quite enough.
Right, while I'm still awake, let me clear some things up.
First, the fight in Kansas, from my perspective, and the time before it.
On this day, I was teamed up with an independent Liberty Navy character going by the name of 'Kayvesk'.
As minutes went on, we've had the usual in-RP emergencies and Pirates to deal with.
Over the course of the day, leading up to the fight in Kansas later, I had three Recruits, in the game, to deal with.
That means, I had to help them get their ships kitted out, tell them where to go, what to do, what to buy, funding them, while dealing with mentioned emergencies above.
I was rather satisfied with that day, and I am extremely thankful to said Indie helping out with the Recruits and over the entire course of my time spent in the game on that day.
Now, to move on.
If my memory serves me right, as the last Recruit was just finished with getting his Executioner kitted out, one of the Recruits got an emergency call from a Miner or other Transport in Kansas about some 'Pirates'.
Thinking it would be a good way to, for one, give the Recruits something to do, and for two, give them a new RolePlay opportunity, I sent them to Kansas to investigate while, again, if my memory serves me right, Kayvesk and I were busy with the usual affairs.
Now at some point the Recruits reported that one of them got lost and the others were being ordered to leave by the ]NTF[, and that they were outnumbered two to one.
Doing what was appropriate in-RP, I told them to keep talking and to hold out until Kayvesk and I arrived.
It took a while until we were there, and then we were, in total, three fresh [LN] Recruits in their barely kitted-out Executioners, Kayvesk, I, an independent Gunboat and, I'm really not sure when he came in, another independent Liberty Navy character with his Screamer-mine kitted Liberator.
(Sorry that I forgot your name, I'm really, really bad with names.)
Regardless, at first I only saw Kayvesk, my three Recruits and myself staring down four ]NTF[ fighters and two Lane Hackers, one which I should mention actually gave us Kudos for the fight that came afterwards.
Seeing the odds as even, I ordered the Gunboat to stand down and watch, and that's what it exactly did.
I'm really not sure when the Liberator came in, but I do remember that a Freelancer in an Eagle jumped into the fight in the middle of it, going by the name of 'CombatBeaver' or something if I recall correctly.
So the fight went on, with 'my' side gaining the upper hand after a while.
In the middle somewhere a Rogue-IFF'd Tridente showed up, and that is when I first told the Gunboat to open fire, and only on that specific target.
It ended up with us left with a, atleast to me, but my connection frankly sucks, rather laggy ]NTF[ Eagle.
Thinking it wouldn't hurt to try, since said Eagle's pilot showed no intent of vacating the area, I kept people busy with shooting at him, mostly because I thought that, dodgy as the Eagle was and laggy as it appeared, it would be a good opportunity for the three new Recruits to have some target practice, which, in a damn hostile area as Liberty space is, would come in handy.
I remember that the Gunboat did open fire on the Eagle at some point, and I asked it to stand down, however it kept shooting until it cruised off a while later. Not overly much harm done, was only target practice, as said Gunboat was kitted out with Cerberus Turrets.
After a while, two [HF] ships, Shia and a, as I've later been told by the [HF]'s leader, new Recruit whose name I forgot jumped in.
I kept 'my side' on the Eagle and Shia, while CombatBeaver fought the [HF]'s new addition one on one, in a duel.
Afterwards at some point the [TAZ] member showed up and, well, I think he didn't take my RolePlay too well after he started to badmouth the Navy in a situation where the last thing you really want to hear or need to hear is trashtalk when you've Recruits around.
As my character, Sarah Willows, is rather easy to piss off in certain situations, I RP'd accordingly, saying something along the lines of 'CONGRATULATIONS ZONER! YOU'VE EARNED YOURSELF AN EXECUTION!' and gave him a warning shot, intent to make him run for the hills.
This the Zoner didn't do, instead he returned fire.
Fine by me.
After a while he was engaged with our Liberator until that one sent him running home, tail between his legs.
And after another while the fight ended, with two Recruits shot down, one having had to go, Kayvesk disappearing near the end of the fight, and whatever else.
Next point, the Zoner issue.
As much as I personally like the [TAZ], there's been, and I don't want to point fingers at anyone here, even though I'm sure what I'm about to say will look like it, repeated offenses, in-RP, against the Liberty Navy and Liberty law by the [TAZ].
Now I'm 'course not blaming the entire faction or anything, I ain't blaming anyone, I'm just saying there's been breaches of Zone-21, smuggling, offloading contraband in Liberty, insults directed at the Liberty law enforcement and some of its individuals, resupplying of Pirates, other unlawfuls and even Phantoms in the middle of combat.
Not to mention whatever else there was.
Now, the catch is, this isn't something that happened once or twice or one time each per offense.
It's something that has been happening ever since I, back a longer while, joined this here faction.
The [LN] has always, always been very 'nice' when it came to dealing with the fallout of such situations afterwards, and I wouldn't even say that we pushed those 'encounters' aside, I'd say we buried them in the backs of our respective heads, six feet under other [LN]-related stuff, since, well, the [TAZ] are a nice and RPing bunch, and it's nice to have them in Liberty.
I myself have had very enjoyable encounters with them while on the lawful and unlawful side of Liberty.
But, it simply stands, that the offenses I mentioned accumulated over time to a point where the only the slight mention of the Zoner encounter in Kansas made everybody instantly remember all the other things that happened and that we've let go, so to say.
As such the High Command has come to a decision regarding the [TAZ] and what to do with the [TAZ] for now.
It could've been much, much worse, and right now the situation isn't even solved, as that certain time period has still to pass. So yeah, that's my view.
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Ench, thank you for the run down. Still, all Ambassador Holliday asked for was names. He would have and will continue working with authorities with provided information. Yes, I have seen indie Zoner ships in Z-21 listed on the player list but I think it's suicide to go there, especially in a transport. As I've said before, it's hard to fix something if I don't know it's broken.
Please, in the future, if you have a problem, allow us the chance to help out. Granted, [TAZ]Kasiwaba.Tomoe was a problem not just for you but for us as well. I was overly patient with him, giving him a chance but that was the third incident and the breaking point WE had and thus his defrocking.
I like doing business in Liberty so I hope this will close ugly chapter for us all. Thank you.
I'd like to lodge a complaint about one of your pilots, Logan Willows, for basically being a terrible bloody RPer. I'd jumped into Liberty space, New York to be precise, to try to sell off a pair of ONYXs. I'd recently upgraded from a Sabre to a P.Trans, and obviously had no use for them. Now, first things first. Yes, I recognise I'm a Lane Hacker. Yes I know the Pirate Transport is banned. Yes I know I'm not allowed to fly there. But that's not what annoys me. What annoys me is the fact that he told me to leave, and then opened fire on me when I did so.
There were several Liberty Navy ships there, I'd shown no hostile intent to any of them, and it's not even in my character's nature to be aggressive. However, I suppose there's no case without proof, so, without further ado, the logs.
First of all. I warned you as those screenshots probably shows, that flying a Pirate Transport with a Lane Hacker ID and IFF near the vicinity of Planet Manhattan would actually be enough for me to just shoot you down.
But as I saw you trying to sell codenames, I wanted to be a nice guy so I gave you the option to leave peacefully. Now, as this went down, I also warned you that if you did NOT start being co-operative with me, I would order those Navy-men to fire at you. After this warning, you mumbled something about you are just selling codenames here and nothing more.
At that point, I came to the conclusion that you basically just said to me in other words: "I'm not really listening to your words Logan."
So I was just about to finish writing a line stating that you would now have to pay a fine.
What do you do? You hit the cruise engines.
I had to cancel that writing, order the Navy men to CD you and shoot you down as a result of that action.
Now, YOU started complaining that you were going to leave as you were told by me. You are correct about that statement, and I knew at that point that you didn't really understand my intentions of stopping you as you tried leaving, because the way I saw it you were trying to escape now. Not just leave. There is a huge difference.
Now in group chat I have a screenshot of my own, prior to your death, ordering all those Navy men to stop firing at you in order to give you a second chance to pay the fine I was about to give you.
Unfortunately the Navy men didn't stop in the middle of all the chasing and chaos, and you got destroyed. At that point I couldn't control the situation anymore, and really, they could with all respect just ignore my orders because I don't command over them.
So in summary: A misunderstanding that lead unfortunately to your death.
But you have NO goddamn reason to whine at me, for what I did.
And now I have said my piece on this matter.
Also, if you believe I was acting like a jackass. All I can say is that I did my character role-play pretty damn well then.
' Wrote:Now, as this went down, I also warned you that if you did NOT start being co-operative with me, I would order those Navy-men to fire at you. After this warning, you mumbled something about you are just selling codenames here and nothing more.
At that point, I came to the conclusion that you basically just said to me in other words: "I'm not really listening to your words Logan."
So I was just about to finish writing a line stating that you would now have to pay a fine.
What do you do? You hit the cruise engines.
I had to cancel that writing, order the Navy men to CD you and shoot you down as a result of that action.
Now, YOU started complaining that you were going to leave as you were told by me. You are correct about that statement, and I knew at that point that you didn't really understand my intentions of stopping you as you tried leaving, because the way I saw it you were trying to escape now. Not just leave. There is a huge difference.
Now in group chat I have a screenshot of my own, prior to your death, ordering all those Navy men to stop firing at you in order to give you a second chance to pay the fine I was about to give you.
Unfortunately the Navy men didn't stop in the middle of all the chasing and chaos, and you got destroyed. At that point I couldn't control the situation anymore, and really, they could with all respect just ignore my orders because I don't command over them.
Read again very carefully.
Also that screenshot does not show the sentence where you were saying this...
' Wrote:After this warning, you mumbled something about you are just selling codenames here and nothing more.
At that point, I came to the conclusion that you basically just said to me in other words: "I'm not really listening to your words Logan."
...OH WAIT, IT DOES!
Edit: For the record, it dosen't matter if you state that you are leaving and at the very same second hit the cruise engines. (In this situation when I see it as escaping.)
See comparison: Two people are role-playing. Suddenly one guy screams an engaging notice and at the very same second instantly attacks the opponent so he gets thrown off guard and dies. It is still considered to be "just doing it".