So you've all seen what I said by now about the [LN] basically being the government in the case of a certain DSE/ALG war scenario, but there are some things that I want to get out of the way before people jump to conclusions about that. The first is what Widow said before I had wrote that.
[5:04:41 AM] [REDACTED]: No, but where DSE) stands, is they are a corp from a house we are supposed to be at war with.
[5:05:02 AM | Edited 5:05:52 AM] [REDACTED]: They are being told 'sweet as' to have gunboats and stuff in Liberty, even though the Rheinland corp is shooting us up
[5:05:27 AM] [REDACTED]: Nothing is happening, and nothing will happen. Hence why I've not made a post to the govt. about it.
[5:05:56 AM] Justin Hopkins: Well, to be fair, the official gov't ruling is that the scrap fields don't belong to DSE.
[5:06:02 AM] Justin Hopkins: They belong to Liberty as a whole.
[5:06:16 AM] [REDACTED]: The government hasnt had a say on the matter, and they arent going to.
So there we go, DSE official saying that they don't expect the government to weigh in on it, then throwing it in my face when I play that card.
Regardless of that however my choice of words was poor and I do believe that every faction comprising Libgov should have a chance to cast their votes on all major issues, and this one, where both myself and Widow have been proven wrong, is no exception.
The reason I said it is that due to some RP stuff I'm not quite ready to reveal yet, a quick resolution to the ALG/DSE conflict was - and still is - necessary.
So, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be DAS LIBERTYFUHRER or anything, so I thought I'd just put everything out there as it is, take it or leave it.
If I recall correctly, the piece in question was something along the lines of [LN] talking on behalf of the government because no one else would weigh in, despite the fact two people had (because it was pushed to have an answer) - with an opinion differing yours. Even from the "Govt. opinion" you made there, it really isn't. Or at least, not those who put their two cents worth in so far.
Yes, I was wrong about them not saying anything in skype, but, since we are still waiting for replys from last year with the Lib govt. I think it was a fair assumption in regards to not a lot being done.
You shouldn't apologise. Libgov was originally created as a powersharing device so that [LN] wouldn't have to shoulder most of the administrative burden of running a house, in exchange for allowing other factions to have a say in how the house was run, what it's laws and policies were and so on.
Given that throughout the existence of the Libgov as I knew it, the only regular contributor to it outside of [LN] high command has been Echo 7-7, it wouldn't be remiss to simply dissolve it and return to how it was before. The only other times members of Libgov have come to the body about an issue is after it's become an issue, not before. Much like this particular DSE/ALG scenario now.
Of course, a return to the old ways would also require the credits built up in the libgov's coffers to be redistributed according to each faction's contributions to it. If it were me doing it, I'd also like to work with Echo 7-7 in the future, even without a formal Libgov body.
Some people seem to think that membership of Libgov is a right, not a privilege. One of these days, you're gonna have to prove them wrong.
tl;dr, factually speaking, there's nothing wrong with what you said.
You all suck. This mess is easy to sort out. You're all making it very difficult - You are all reacting first and thinking second.
The bit which really confuses me, is you're throwing all this at the [LN], when the whole thing you are objecting to, is at root an =LSF= project. lol.
It all happened because people misunderstood concept of corporate wars.
You either pay mercs to shoot them, not bring your "corporate gunboats". We don't see pepsi bazooka, or nike tanks rolling around.
You put out sort of pirate bounty and give pirate bonus if they target corporation you don't like. (Not vanilla pirate faction/group/guy from your house coz it wouldn't make sense, but paying their pirates to start hitting them harder).
Or ruin their reputation.
Or pay a fee to the same house corporations not to deal with them.
But why be creative when we have corporate gunboats ololololo
(02-17-2014, 02:27 AM)Papa Oomaumau Wrote: Either way - when you let go, and stop holding on so tightly, life can actually be fun - you can't steer a train, but you can RIDE it!
(02-20-2014, 02:47 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: You all suck. This mess is easy to sort out. You're all making it very difficult - You are all reacting first and thinking second.
The bit which really confuses me, is you're throwing all this at the [LN], when the whole thing you are objecting to, is at root an =LSF= project. lol.
Actually.. we've just opted to stay out of it, they can shoot each other with their pepsi and coke bazookas. I can't help but to agree with Chase there, that really isn't how a corporate war is fought.
It was thrown at [LN] because when I approached Justin (albiet in a pissy mood) he simply told me that no, cut out what you are doing because [LN] wanted to do something without communicating to everyone else first. Then pulled that card (we have now dealt with) which aggravated me even more considering no one else is permitted to be allowed to pull the same card.
Communication was a failure on every ones account here and Liberty's future does not sit solely in [LN]'s hand, not DSE)'s and not in =LSF='s. It's all of ours to work together to progress our role play to align with the lore set out by devs.
Next time, how about we include everyone in the development of issues each and every faction face, and then act on it.
FTR: I'm guilty of my part in this failure, and I'll take my failures here on the chin. DSE) and [ALG] wanted to mine each other for scrap metal because little rocks are not as fun too shoot at because th simply do not shoot back. That scrap they call [ALG] ships, do.
You'll be right Justin, lessons learned and all that jazz.
The reason nobody else has been informed is because it's supposed to be something of a surprise, man. The mod moving forward in a good way.
Still, I can understand how it came off like I said, and you'll notice that the Libgov chat now has a pair of people who are a lot more diplomatic than me in it.
The problem with the idea of it being a surprise is you really can't just come along and dictate how people should RP, because you want things done differently. This is what the problem we, as DSE), have.
The RP we have with ALG was meant to be a bit of fun between both sides. And now it is one great big drama because of something we had no idea about.
Things could have been done better on both sides, take it as that and we all need to learn from it.
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