Liberty is full of bad experiences with pirates offlate.
Personally i wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to fly to them as pirate rp is often fun and the talks are also good. In every other system, the pirates of official factions have always given reasonable demands and even indulged in some good conversation about their faction and their goals regardless of its long or short term nature.
Liberty is another story,
Extorting a transport for 15 million credits when the cargo value itself was worth 15 million is sheer robbery. Considering you,Snak3 seem to recollect these events so well, I assume you were present and are aware of the other indie lane hacker who proceeded to blow up an indie GMG with no rp and hunt me down through three systems.
These kinds of demands and aggressive nature towards traders is unacceptable. Atleast have the decency to rp the justification for that demand instead of simply barfing a one liner and dropping an antimatter snac on us.
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It all depends on the trader. His ship and cargo obviously, but also behavior, equipment, etc. If it’s a new player, especially a new player that tried to RP, I’ll tax him very lightly or just let him go for free. If it’s an experienced player then the standard 20% of profit (up to 10m).
If it has bad equipment (full 5k, armorless, regenless, gunless or freighter shield) I punish them the hardest with 40-50% of the profit because it’s a disgrace to refuse to buy equipment that “takes cargo space and reduces income”. If an AU8 saves your life once in 250 encounters it’s worth it. Get your transport properly equiped.
Good and smooth talk can help you pay less. Insults and being dismissive certainly won’t. As for maximum unreasonable demand, it’s more than 50% of the profit or 5 millions if empty (or the profit is low) afaik.
Considering that it was me, I know all the context behind and you simply don't have the full view on what transpired.
GMG indie was destroyed after plenty of roleplay (from 05:45:40 to 05:52:27). At least this is the time I spent attempting to roleplay with it. If you have another indie LH in mind, that is really out of my reach or knowledge.
Corporate target was being extorted twice the amount of my regular demand, because his colleague announced my position system-wide which meant two things, more heat and lost chance to extort the second. Roleplay has consequences, good or bad, depends on what roleplay is conducted.
When it comes to your second statement that you were hunted through 3 systems, I was on the way to intercept another transport two systems away. The choice to say harsh words to top-ranked member of the faction resulted in it turning around.
Roleplay has consequences. Instead of complaining over it, learn from it.
(05-25-2018, 08:53 AM)SnakThree Wrote: Considering that it was me, I know all the context behind and you simply don't have the full view on what transpired.
GMG indie was destroyed after plenty of roleplay (from 05:45:40 to 05:52:27). At least this is the time I spent attempting to roleplay with it. If you have another indie LH in mind, that is really out of my reach or knowledge.
Corporate target was being extorted twice the amount of my regular demand, because his colleague announced my position system-wide which meant two things, more heat and lost chance to extort the second. Roleplay has consequences, good or bad, depends on what roleplay is conducted.
When it comes to your second statement that you were hunted through 3 systems, I was on the way to intercept another transport two systems away. The choice to say harsh words to top-ranked member of the faction resulted in it turning around.
Roleplay has consequences. Instead of complaining over it, learn from it.
1) The GMG indie told me about the encounter he had with you. The words he/she used was unreasonable and trigger happy. You can morph the story as much as you'd like to suit your side but i couldn't care less. He's a new player, you should have the decency to help him understand how a pirate encounter works and not blue him for laughs.
2) Your regular demand itself is unreasonable. Consider some therapy in basic humanity before entering a multiplayer environment with human interaction. No trader will cough up 8 or 10 million credits as per your "standard demand". There was no roleplay, just spite.
3) Again, you can morph the story as much as you want as ontario, keplar, galileo and cassini had no ships with ranks greater than 50 in it.
A top ranked member with no official tag using a minecraft name for a ship is expected to be taken seriously, well done my colleague, well done.
Roleplay has consequences,agreed. That's the fundamental fact of this mod. So how about roleplaying next time?
You're one of the oldest members on this mod, I'd expect some decency from you both in-game and out of it.
[25.05.2018 05:44:57] Rocks.in.Socks: Hold up there!
[25.05.2018 05:45:12] Jump systems recharging. Charging complete in 11 seconds.
[25.05.2018 05:45:23] Jump systems recharging. Charging complete in 1 seconds.
[25.05.2018 05:45:40] Rocks.in.Socks: You there, you were told to stop!
[25.05.2018 05:46:20] Rocks.in.Socks: Do you even hear me, insect?
[25.05.2018 05:46:45] GMG INDIE: what do you want
[25.05.2018 05:47:07] Rocks.in.Socks: It seems you are unable to understand when a Lane Hacker is ordering you to stop.
[25.05.2018 05:47:34] Rocks.in.Socks: You are carrying Ageira's White Boxes. It is obvious that you don't know how much we hate Ageira.
[25.05.2018 05:47:47] GMG INDIE: i didnt see y halti g me down till now
[25.05.2018 05:48:06] Rocks.in.Socks: And yet you are still in a docking sequence with this Trade Lane
[25.05.2018 05:48:23] Rocks.in.Socks: You will drop all of your cargo and fly away from this area.
[25.05.2018 05:48:28] GMG INDIE: and your point is
[25.05.2018 05:48:45] GMG INDIE: sorry that aint gonna happen
[25.05.2018 05:48:47] Rocks.in.Socks: We cannot allow any of Ageira's White Boxes to reach their destination
[25.05.2018 05:49:14] Rocks.in.Socks: If you refuse to comply, I will destroy your ship and you will lose it all.
[25.05.2018 05:49:21] Rocks.in.Socks: Choose wisely, cockroach.
[25.05.2018 05:49:39] GMG INDIE: your grandmother is a cockroach
[25.05.2018 05:49:54] GMG INDIE: have respect i am a girl
[25.05.2018 05:50:12] Rocks.in.Socks: You sealed you fate, you pathetic piece of fart miner.
[25.05.2018 05:50:25] Rocks.in.Socks: DROP THE CARGO NOW OR BE DESTROYED
[25.05.2018 05:50:36] GMG INDIE: ok
( Tries to shoot me with Dulzians )
[25.05.2018 05:50:57] Rocks.in.Socks: What a fool you are.
[25.05.2018 05:51:03] Rocks.in.Socks: Prepare to be destroyed
[25.05.2018 05:51:09] Changing screen mode=full
[25.05.2018 05:51:51] Rocks.in.Socks: Final chance!
[25.05.2018 05:52:16] GMG INDIE: kill me i will come basck with my distroyer
[25.05.2018 05:52:27] Death: GMG INDIE was put out of action by Rocks.in.Socks (Gun).
[25.05.2018 06:10:32] Rocks.in.Socks: Hold up there
[25.05.2018 06:10:47] Rocks.in.Socks: Who would have known, that this day just gets better!
[25.05.2018 06:11:03] Rocks.in.Socks: Absolutely defenceless corproate cockroach with full load of Ore!
[25.05.2018 06:11:07] Kruger|Ship: Erik: *sighs deeply* guten tag her hacker
[25.05.2018 06:11:24] Kruger|KMS-Duisburg: Drew: Oye Liberty Navy, hackers at New York gate
[25.05.2018 06:11:33] Rocks.in.Socks: Oh, that was foolish of you.
[25.05.2018 06:11:44] Kruger|KMS-Duisburg: Drew: Turn the crap around and head there!
[25.05.2018 06:11:45] Kruger|Ship: Erik: I cant help what he is saying
[25.05.2018 06:11:50] Rocks.in.Socks: I was about to charge you mere eight millions of credits.
[25.05.2018 06:12:03] Rocks.in.Socks: But it seems your crew just lost their paycheck
[25.05.2018 06:12:06] LH~Ship: "Should we toast it now?"
[25.05.2018 06:12:21] Kruger|Ship: Erik: Agian his words is not my mouth...
[25.05.2018 06:12:28] Rocks.in.Socks: Either you will wire me fifteen millions now, or drop half of your cargo.
[25.05.2018 06:12:35] Kruger|Ship: Erik: Cant control what he says no need to punish me for that
[25.05.2018 06:13:14] LH~Ship: "Yes, sure, need to punish you for the words in your own mouth that told him about our presence."
[25.05.2018 06:13:28] Kruger|Ship: Erik: I am not the Duisburg...
[25.05.2018 06:13:33] Rocks.in.Socks: Be glad that I am not scorching you right here, right now.
[25.05.2018 06:14:00] Rocks.in.Socks: We don't care which crew member of yours spilled the beans on system-wide comms.
[25.05.2018 06:14:14] Kruger|Ship: Erik: *sighs even deeper*
[25.05.2018 06:14:14] Rocks.in.Socks: You are the captain and thus it's your duty to control your crew.
[25.05.2018 06:14:18] Rocks.in.Socks: Demands were stated.
[25.05.2018 06:14:27] Rocks.in.Socks: It's now up to you to choose your punishment.
[25.05.2018 06:14:35] /time
[25.05.2018 06:14:35] 2018-05-25 06:14:39 SMT
[25.05.2018 06:14:40] Kruger|Ship: Erik: He is a captain him self... his ship is not mine his words not mine...
[25.05.2018 06:14:50] Kruger|Ship: Erik: What is so hard to understand about that...
[25.05.2018 06:14:56] Rocks.in.Socks: Your ship debris will soon will not be yours.
[25.05.2018 06:15:25] SSRT-EU|-Blue.Ridge: Radio: G'day, any way, you maybe heared my cloaking device already.
[25.05.2018 06:15:29] Rocks.in.Socks: You will comply at once or face imminent scorching
[25.05.2018 06:16:15] Kruger|Ship: Erik: I am not going to pay you 15 mill because of what the other kruger said... You can have the 8 if must
[25.05.2018 06:16:27] Rocks.in.Socks: Then you will drop half of your cargo
[25.05.2018 06:16:52] Kruger|Ship: Erik: No can do, pay the 8 or we have to find other means of dealing with this
[25.05.2018 06:17:20] Rocks.in.Socks: The only way I am letting you off if you have incriminating information that can be of major use to The Lane Hackers.
[25.05.2018 06:17:48] Changing screen mode=windowed
[25.05.2018 06:18:03] Kruger|Ship: Erik: I am not going to betray the company i work for, you can have the first demand you made of 8 mills or nothing
[25.05.2018 06:18:33] Rocks.in.Socks: Oh, you are the corporate one with small mind it seems
[25.05.2018 06:18:57] Rocks.in.Socks: I was about to go with regular extortion sizes, but your crew member blurted out our position and for that, the mild demand is
[25.05.2018 06:19:00] Rocks.in.Socks: gone from the table
[25.05.2018 06:19:07] Rocks.in.Socks: It leaves us with three options.
[25.05.2018 06:19:36] Rocks.in.Socks: You wire me 15 millions, you drop half of your cargo, or we destroy you and take your cargo nonetheless.
[25.05.2018 06:19:52] Kruger|Ship: Erik: He is not my crew member he is an captain him self and i can not control his words in any manner.
[25.05.2018 06:20:22] Kruger|Ship: Erik: 15mills is to much, i wont even get feul cost back
[25.05.2018 06:20:23] Rocks.in.Socks: I don;t really care about details.
[25.05.2018 06:20:25] LH~Ship: "Looks like it's mind is even smaller than we first thought."
[25.05.2018 06:20:40] Rocks.in.Socks: You obviously relayed the information to your colleague, who in turn blurted it out
[25.05.2018 06:20:47] Rocks.in.Socks: So all in all, that is your fault.
[25.05.2018 06:20:56] Kruger|Ship: Erik: I did not...
[25.05.2018 06:21:10] LH~Ship: "Pathetic liar."
[25.05.2018 06:21:13] Kruger|Ship: Erik: All nice to think it but i have done none of what you claim
[25.05.2018 06:21:14] Rocks.in.Socks: I am getting tired of this fool
[25.05.2018 06:21:29] Death: Kenpachi_Ramasama was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[25.05.2018 06:21:38] Rocks.in.Socks: I am giving him a minute to think his choices over before we provide his ship debris for junkers to collect.
[25.05.2018 06:21:46] Kruger|Ship: Erik: Last time i am willing to pay the original demand of 8 mills or well... bad luck then
[25.05.2018 06:21:48] Tip: Exploration often is very rewarding. The game world has randomized, hidden bases that do not otherwise show up on your map. Find them and everything inside is yours to claim.
[25.05.2018 06:22:00] Rocks.in.Socks: Time is ticking. Your move.
(Uses Jump Gate in an attempt to flee)
[25.05.2018 06:22:34] Rocks.in.Socks: You sealed your own fate, worm. Prepare to be destroyed!
[25.05.2018 06:22:35] LH~Ship: "Instilling fire solutions."
[25.05.2018 06:22:47] Death: Kruger|Ship was put out of action by LH~Ship (Gun).
[25.05.2018 06:46:04] Rocks.in.Socks: We might be able to catch [LN] transport and humilate it.
[25.05.2018 06:47:00] Kruger| Peasant: Drew: Ugh
[25.05.2018 06:47:01] LH~Ship: That would be a great addition to the day.
[25.05.2018 06:47:09] Kruger| Peasant: Drew: Piss off hacker
[25.05.2018 06:47:21] Coloso|GmG: rocks my ship is empty
[25.05.2018 06:47:28] Rocks.in.Socks: Drop your cargo at once, Kruger peasant, for your words
[25.05.2018 06:47:31] Changing screen mode=full
[25.05.2018 06:48:06] Kruger| Peasant: //Boss
[25.05.2018 06:48:10] Rocks.in.Socks: No? Then prepare to get scorched.
[25.05.2018 06:48:17] Kruger| Peasant: //No joke, piss off
[25.05.2018 06:48:28] Death: Kruger| Peasant was put out of action by Rocks.in.Socks (Gun).
[25.05.2018 06:48:30] /time
[25.05.2018 06:48:30] 2018-05-25 06:48:35 SMT
[25.05.2018 06:48:44] Coloso|GmG: hahahaha awesome burn some socks
[25.05.2018 06:48:58] LH~Ship: Target have entered California.
[25.05.2018 06:49:15] 6th|Alpha-1: ?: Contact.
[25.05.2018 06:49:22] LH~Ship: Got in on my scanners.
[25.05.2018 06:49:23] Coloso|GmG: dont run little mouse
[25.05.2018 06:49:26] LH~Ship: Intercepted.
[25.05.2018 06:49:27] Kruger| Peasant: //desperate blue hunter confirmed
[25.05.2018 06:49:28] Rocks.in.Socks: Pirate at will.
[25.05.2018 06:49:33] Rocks.in.Socks: // Please stop PMing
[25.05.2018 06:49:42] Rocks.in.Socks: Pirate at will.
[25.05.2018 06:49:50] Kruger| Peasant: //dude, you killed my friend after asking 15 million
[25.05.2018 06:49:50] Rocks.in.Socks: I have Guardian on my six.
[25.05.2018 06:49:50] 6th|Alpha-1: ?: Stay here, Hacker. I get transmission from Kruger vessel about you.
[25.05.2018 06:49:59] Kruger| Peasant: //then you killed an indie without rp
[25.05.2018 06:50:10] Kruger| Peasant: //and then you hunted me down and killed me
[25.05.2018 06:50:10] 6th|Alpha-1: ?: And at Navy channel I herad what you killed him.
[25.05.2018 06:50:11] /fm kruger // please stop pming
[25.05.2018 06:50:11] Rocks.in.Socks: // Please stop PMing
[25.05.2018 06:50:24] Kruger|KMS-Geldern: // i am not O-o
[25.05.2018 06:50:45] 6th|Alpha-1: ?: Stay.
[25.05.2018 06:50:49] Rocks.in.Socks: No.
[25.05.2018 06:52:12] Warning!
[25.05.2018 06:52:12] You have entered a CONTESTED TERRITORY.
[25.05.2018 06:52:12] Any PVP deaths suffered by non-generic IDs in California have a reduced cooldown time of 30 minutes instead of the standard 2 hours.
[25.05.2018 06:52:12] All other server rules are in place.
[25.05.2018 06:52:40] Rocks.in.Socks: NY Gate?
[25.05.2018 06:52:47] Rocks.in.Socks: Uh,
[25.05.2018 06:53:01] LH~Ship: That's where i got it, where is that Guardian?
[25.05.2018 06:53:05] Rocks.in.Socks: Was it extorted?
[25.05.2018 06:53:09] [LN]-LLS-Lakewood: James: Morning...
[25.05.2018 06:53:15] LH~Ship: It was.
[25.05.2018 06:53:26] Rocks.in.Socks: Excellent. Here it is.
[25.05.2018 06:53:31] [LN]-LLS-Lakewood: James: Sure hope you're not making me pay again.
[25.05.2018 06:53:56] Rocks.in.Socks: I am taking my Roc for a spin
[25.05.2018 06:55:04] Changing screen mode=windowed
[25.05.2018 06:55:31] /time
[25.05.2018 06:55:31] 2018-05-25 06:55:36 SMT
[25.05.2018 06:55:33] Kruger| Peasant: //on my way to Berlin
[25.05.2018 06:55:41] Kruger| Peasant: //come if you want xD
[25.05.2018 06:55:50] /time
[25.05.2018 06:55:50] 2018-05-25 06:55:55 SMT
[25.05.2018 06:56:06] Kruger| Peasant: //gonna be moving fast to avoid trouble
[25.05.2018 06:56:21] Rocks.in.Socks: // Please stop PMIN
[25.05.2018 06:56:22] 2018-05-25 06:56:26 SMT Traffic control alert: Rocks.in.Socks has requested to dock
[25.05.2018 06:56:33] 2018-05-25 06:56:38 SMT Traffic control alert: Rocks.in.Socks has requested to dock
[25.05.2018 06:56:34] Auto-Buy(Nanobots): Bought 14 unit(s), cost: 2.800$
[25.05.2018 06:56:34] Auto-Buy(Shield Batteries): Bought 99 unit(s), cost: 19.800$
[25.05.2018 06:56:34] Auto-Buy(Mines): Bought 2 unit(s), cost: 12.000$
[25.05.2018 06:56:34] Kruger| Peasant: //not talking to you you horrible individual
There is probably a feedback thread for the hacker drama.
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Once I used to make reasonable demands, then I started playing Xeno. But uh.. As far as the Snak drama, that chap can be.. pardon my french but quite an ass, honestly, though I think he knows that. He's correct in the situation nonetheless. Roleplay has consequences. Maintain better discipline so you don't have your own faction members making it worse for the one stopped. New players don't get free passes to "space is dangerous" though I help them understand what it is I'm doing to them and for what reason. Asking anything else is.. well, simply wrong. Noobs do not transcend the RP nature of our server.
On topic, though, roleplay like that not being taken into account I used to take anywhere from 3-10m. Depends on a number of things. I'd let people off easier if carrying non-ore commodities, if they actually RP, etc. It also depends how much the faction I'm playing dislikes the one I'm pulling over. Do I have any personal experience with the pilot as well? In short, there's a general rule of thumb but your mileage may vary. Speaking as an unlawful, it's quite obvious that in those situations, a blue was not being hunted. No more RP has to be done other than "gief money" and "ok u die for not gief."
not only they make those demands, but if you pay then, that does not means that you will have a safe journey. on the next system or even next trade lane can be another pirate and make those same demands, and then what? you don't have credits, they will destroy your ships and there is nothing that you can do because isn't against the rules. not long ago i reported one pirate but ... hey .. no rules breaking for those stupid demands. so what can you do? nothing! when i started to play this game long ago, there was some rules, that gave some protection to traders, but then i bet some rats started to cry .. some still cry ... that was unfair ... yes unfair for then they outgun and many times also outnumber a trader, and the rules changed and after that they could pirate even on cruisers .. you know ... reasons! there are no rules protecting traders ... nothing!! nada! zero!!! they can take your credits, your cargo and that's ok, because ... i don't know! ask the guys who make this rules, and then ask then if this is not one of the many reaons why many players left and others don't play that much!!