' Wrote:He was on thrusters, not cruise... So when you used cruise, you broke the rules. That much seems to be fact, here. I'll have some more admins go over the sanction about the insulting.
Would that be referring to when I believe ProjectX hit him with a CD? Because there were three people in the fight. And how could he get all the way to the next trade lane on thrusters alone when I was chasing him in cruise not gaining any ground, only time I actually gained ground was when he stopped to dock at the TL. If you don't mind, send me some screen shots and I can perhaps give you an interpretation.
' Wrote:Would that be referring to when I believe ProjectX hit him with a CD? Because there were three people in the fight. And how could he get all the way to the next trade lane on thrusters alone when I was chasing him in cruise not gaining any ground, only time I actually gained ground was when he stopped to dock at the TL. If you don't mind, send me some screen shots and I can perhaps give you an interpretation.
Aye I was CD-ing Sigil... When he started CRUISING away... Then decided to re-engage at westpoint mind you...
Ps: I don't think people appreciate it when you say thigns with a smug attitude... Good example in this sanction is how you say "Oh, and you've got no guns and credits on that ship." I mean... Could it be any ruder? That alone can be considered insulting.
' Wrote:I'm not sure I understand this? How do you chase someone without cruise enabled as the rule suggests? And also, Sigil did the same thing to me when I tried to flee the area, he used cruises to chase me. So my basic question is, why are we being sanctioned for something that has happened to me, and surely more people? I mean I consider the ability to CD someone as still part of the fight, unless there is a different interpretation here. Sigil had cruise enabled. So did I? Where's the foul?
As for ProjectX, yes he may have used some delicate words but Sigil was being dramatically antagonizing us, telling us that Pirates had no right to kill someone if they refused to pay. Which is what they do. Nothing of Sigil's was hurt in the end, so I see this as merely a get back. How can you tell someone something if they clearly do not understand the role of a pirate? ProjectX had every right to use the language he did, based off the fact that Sigil had no idea what he was talking about whatsoever. Besides, I do agree that banning him for using "noob" and "tard" is harsh at best. They're (no offense to ProjectX) childish words. It's not like he scarred him? I've been called much worse. We tried to explain it, Sigil wouldn't listen. Sanctioned.
Also, his issue in server was over the "Halt or be KIA" command. Which gives the flee'r a warning if they are going to try to. Nothing was ever brought up over ProjectX's harsh language or my cruising to catch him. Therefore, he never tried to talk it out with us, and how can we try to work things out if he files a sanction for something completely different?
-I seem to remember seeing a banner in server to Talk to the person about their sanction before filing one
All of our sanctions are irrelevant to what was brought up in game. Therefore, they are after the fact. Put together just to get us in trouble because he got roughed up a bit outside West Point, along side several NPC fleets.
Edit: If you need some examples the LN, 'Sairs have cruised after me ingame before..
My issue was over the entire start of that fight. As I clearly stated here http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7752/screen85t.jpg
To -INCLUDE-:
Uing Halt or be KIA as reason enough to engage
Both of your crusing to catch up
For reference on "Stop or Die" Engagements, look here: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14896
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I'll take this moment to say that the insulting didnt bother me at all, i actually ignored it.
That was added after they reviewed the 20 something screens.
' Wrote:Aye I was CD-ing Sigil... When he started CRUISING away... Then decided to re-engage at westpoint mind you...
Ps: I don't think people appreciate it when you say thigns with a smug attitude... Good example in this sanction is how you say "Oh, and you've got no guns and credits on that ship." I mean... Could it be any ruder? That alone can be considered insulting.
Right, I started to cruise away like any other person would. Saw you chasing the other guy so I went towards him in case he needed help.
You TCD'ed me, I thrusted away
Look at the screens i've sent to both of your inboxes. A Gunboat thrusting at 145, would never have gotten next to a ship thrusting at 200 especially with a 2k distance to cover. I only started taking screens once I saw Sanguine closing distance between my ship and his.
As I told the admins when the report was made, had either of you not insisted that "Halt or be KIA" been enough to engage someone, or that your death by NPC gunfire during a player involved fight didn't count, that I wouldn't have even considered posting. I even stated that I would prefer to get the issue settled right there, ingame.
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Now, I'm really curious where the reengagement claim comes into play.
The two of you opened fire on me first, Even -IF- I had cruised, that would have been a self defense engagement.
Quote:6.19 Pirates and terrorists have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship
So who's to say we cannot rough you up a bit before we demand money? We're supposed to ask while you're cruising away? The best way to get someone to halt is to rough them up. I've read the rules, and as stated above it's perfectly fine. It's the best tactic to use.
If we had gone on long enough, which didn't happen because you self defense re-engaged us at WP with a cap patrol, and we had gotten your hull down to the point where you'd say you'd pay. It's not RP if you would have let us rip apart your ship so you can die.
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As far as I'm concerned, I was too far behind you to fire a CD, and you were cruise enabled. You had tried to stop and dock at a TL at which point I came up and disrupted it.
If there is anything in the rules about you needing to stop cruising because the other person does, then that was my mistake.
I'm angry because nothing of what I'm sanctioned for came up in chat in game. If you would have told me that in game I would have understood. This all came about after the fact.
And again for Halt or be KIA: it's a deterrent. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a piece of RP. If you think we would have killed you, then that's your own opinion, and it can't be proven nontheless.
I'm also angry because when I tried to flee WP, I had thrusters on and you cruised after me.
Why would I be sanctioned for something different than what we had tried to resolve in game.
Anyways. This is over and done, except for projectX. No hard feelings Raisu, I'm just going to cut my losses and go. I hope that we can sometime RP again, and have no issues. Until then, good flying.
' Wrote:My issue was over the entire start of that fight. As I clearly stated here http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7752/screen85t.jpg
To -INCLUDE-:
Uing Halt or be KIA as reason enough to engage
Both of your crusing to catch up
For reference on "Stop or Die" Engagements, look here: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14896
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I'll take this moment to say that the insulting didnt bother me at all, i actually ignored it.
That was added after they reviewed the 20 something screens.
Right, I started to cruise away like any other person would. Saw you chasing the other guy so I went towards him in case he needed help.
You TCD'ed me, I thrusted away
Look at the screens i've sent to both of your inboxes. A Gunboat thrusting at 145, would never have gotten next to a ship thrusting at 200 especially with a 2k distance to cover. I only started taking screens once I saw Sanguine closing distance between my ship and his.
As I told the admins when the report was made, had either of you not insisted that "Halt or be KIA" been enough to engage someone, or that your death by NPC gunfire during a player involved fight didn't count, that I wouldn't have even considered posting. I even stated that I would prefer to get the issue settled right there, ingame.
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Now, I'm really curious where the reengagement claim comes into play.
The two of you opened fire on me first, Even -IF- I had cruised, that would have been a self defense engagement.
This is cute... He still thinks I cruised when I used the tradelane...
And what I'm getting sacntioned for something that wasn't the focus of all this bull... This gets better and better...
R_Fang, aside from apologizing if I did do any of what you said. And pointing out what assumptions can be made when a pirate or two open fire with the intent of doing hull damage (which i generally don't agree with, since that would then make the trader have to spend more money on repairs, possibly not being able to spare the money neded to make a later trade run, thus unable to pay pirate taxes) -- Usually when that happens, I try to convince the pirate to lower his taxes in respect to the repair costs i'd then have to pay.
As you said, its done and over, cya in the battlefields.
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ProjectX, Cruising after someone at 350 vs using the Trade Lane at above 500, to catch up to someone....
I honestly don't see the differences other than the fact that one is noted in a rule and one isnt, though both are actions used to either flee from or in a "- to catch up" situation, chase a target.
I'll admit, I use TLs to catch up to people from time to time, but only under the condition that I havent engaged them because of the rule violation otherwise.
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As I said before though, the admins choosing the flaming for their sanction was of their decision. Aside from the general annoyance,my specific annoyance from you was insisting that your death was not countable regarding the rules due to it being from NPCs.
Ahem, might I provide the rule again for your perusal?
Quote:5.6 If a player engages cruise engine or docks during a PvP fight, this player is considered fleeing. The fleeing player must leave and may not re-enter the system where the fight took place with any of the characters on his/her account(s) while the enemy (player or players involved in the fight) remains in the system, but no more than 4 hours.
However, the fleeing player can re-engage at will if chased.
Or docks... As in with a tradelane or station or jump gate.