' Wrote:So this is why it's so easy for the Kusari to roll over Bretonia.... all their pilots are in Gamma and New Tokyo.
To further reinforce that today is crazy day I agree with Zelot entirely.
There's a lot of hoops to jump through in order to reach Gamma proper and the venture itself would accomplish little more than re-define the concept of suicide.
Between sneaking past Cadiz, Leon and then slipping into Gamma with a handful of snub craft while you folks are floundering under the burden of a war you're on the losing side of... Yeaaaah...
That being said I reckon that the Corsairs wouldn't mind if you paid them a visit in 5 or doing cleanup work in Omega 3!
' Wrote:If there's constructive criticism hidden in here, I'll need a map and a compass to find it.
The constructive criticism is that Bretonia is under invasion, I cant imagine they would be wasting ships that could be on the front, in Gamma, suicidally going after Corsairs. Bretonain RP at the moment should be about fighting off the threat to the very existence of the House.
' Wrote:To further reinforce that today is crazy day I agree with Zelot entirely.
There's a lot of hoops to jump through in order to reach Gamma proper and the venture itself would accomplish little more than re-define the concept of suicide.
Between sneaking past Cadiz, Leon and then slipping into Gamma with a handful of snub craft while you folks are floundering under the burden of a war you're on the losing side of... Yeaaaah...
That being said I reckon that the Corsairs wouldn't mind if you paid them a visit in 5 or doing cleanup work in Omega 3!
That had, in fact, been the idea, Dusty. I have to caution everyone at this point not to misinterpret our faction as being an excuse to launch raids and zergs on Omicron Gamma. Rather, we intend to strike at the Corsair Empire's borders first, then gradually work our way past their outer defenses. Our ultimate goal is laying siege to Planet Crete, but the crusaders realize that the Corsair Empire is massive and elaborately defended, if not populated by particularly competent pilots. It's hardly "redefining the concept of suicide" to assault and besiege outlying Corsair outposts.
"Sneaking past" bases such as Cadiz and Leon is exactly what the crusade proposes not to do. We intend to take the fight against the Corsairs right to their own door, and that effort begins by breaching the Corsairs' border defenses. Honestly, what we're proposing is completely feasible - both in terms of player base and abstract roleplay, the average Corsair isn't exactly an ace pilot. A determined, courageous, and well-trained pilot host could accomplish what the Order proposes.
Quote:The constructive criticism is that Bretonia is under invasion, I cant imagine they would be wasting ships that could be on the front, in Gamma, suicidally going after Corsairs. Bretonain RP at the moment should be about fighting off the threat to the very existence of the House.
Ah, now that I can work with. You're right, of course - as I mention repeatedly throughout the faction document, Bretonia's budget (and, by extension, that of the Armed Forces) is stretched to the limit fighting the Kusari war engine. The BAF is, naturally, free to decide for themselves if we should be allocated Bretonian ships and, if so, how many.
Beyond that, the concepts I list under the History part of the doc state that technology we receive is largely either remaindered or the possessions of the individual crusaders, many of which are former BAF officers, many of which have served a tour of duty against Kusari (yet again, both in regard to players and in terms of abstraction - three of our members converted their BAF characters to Order of the Lion knights).
' Wrote:The constructive criticism is that Bretonia is under invasion, I cant imagine they would be wasting ships that could be on the front, in Gamma, suicidally going after Corsairs. Bretonain RP at the moment should be about fighting off the threat to the very existence of the House.
Its all about timing - this Faction proposes fighting a war on 2 fronts, which would make any tactician shudder. Going after Gamma divides Bretonian forces, when it would be better to leave 1/4 of their strength in Cambridge to act as a defensive buffer versus Corsair incursions.
' Wrote:Its all about timing - this Faction proposes fighting a war on 2 fronts, which would make any tactician shudder. Going after Gamma divides Bretonian forces, when it would be better to leave 1/4 of their strength in Cambridge to act as a defensive buffer versus Corsair incursions.
Sometimes, sitting on your ass and waiting for things to happen isn't the most efficient tactic. The Corsairs are very active, and are launching endless raids on Cambridge and Leeds. This is where the Order comes in. The first goal of this faction is to push the Corsairs back, and fight them in the Border and Edge worlds, and not in Bretonia, so that trading and production within the state boundaries won't be disrupted. That only means better war funding for the BAF and BPA.
Also, as Zig said, this organization isn't exactly funded by the crown, but by the individuals themselves. Sort of like Winston Tobias' attack wing, not in the BAF but serving Bretonia with whatever they have.
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' Wrote:Also, as Zig said, this organization isn't exactly funded by the crown, but by the individuals themselves. Sort of like Winston Tobias' attack wing, not in the BAF but serving Bretonia with whatever they have.
Teschy's exactly right - the Order isn't an Armed Forces battlegroup and doesn't belong to the Armed Forces. The Order of the Lion consists of those Bretonian citizens and former BAF or law enforcement officers courageous enough to take up arms themselves, in the name of public service and defending the Commonwealth, to do what the Bretonian military and police cannot (due to being understaffed, in the case of the BPA, or far too busily engaged otherwise, in the case of the BAF) and to put an end to the Corsair menace by striking at the Corsair's homespace. It may be allied to the Armed Forces, it may be viewed with approval by the Bretonian government, and it may make use of spare Bretonian technology, but it isn't an Armed Forces faction at all and isn't a "Bretonian force", as Taffic calls it, but rather a "force of Bretonians".
' Wrote:So this is why it's so easy for the Kusari to roll over Bretonia.... all their pilots are in Gamma and New Tokyo.
I'm going to echo this, and say that Bretonia needs all the ships and pilots it can get against Kusari, at the moment. The Corsairs are semi-docile because of the Wilde problem, and the Norfolk is there under orders to only hold the Cambridge Line and make sure no Corsairs can make their way into New London where they can prey on Police and Civilian targets. Bretonia is focusing against Kusari, because both the Derby and York fleets are completely smashed. The Corsairs are the second largest problem, yes, but the situation against them isn't so desperate as against Kusari.
' Wrote:There's a lot of hoops to jump through in order to reach Gamma proper and the venture itself would accomplish little more than re-define the concept of suicide.
Between sneaking past Cadiz, Leon and then slipping into Gamma with a handful of snub craft while you folks are floundering under the burden of a war you're on the losing side of... Yeaaaah...
Echoed.
' Wrote:The constructive criticism is that Bretonia is under invasion, I cant imagine they would be wasting ships that could be on the front, in Gamma, suicidally going after Corsairs. Bretonain RP at the moment should be about fighting off the threat to the very existence of the House.
Echoed.
Now, if you'd like to fight Corsairs as Freelancers, doing so in Civilian ships with Bretonian weapons where an available bounty is could make sense, is payment was made to the government to buy them in such a dire time of war. At the moment, though, doing so in Bretonain ships with Bretonian weapons makes no sense. Hey, you might even me able to make use of the Vigilante ID.
Furthermore, did you talk to the Bretonian Government before doing this? We've heard nothing from any Lord William Acre about this, seeing as how the chat is horribly quiet...
Then again, this entire thing stinks of just wanting to come and kill Corsairs, so, overall, I'd like to say no...
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
Too much to quote, there, Baconsoda, so I'll just answer you like this.
The Corsairs are, frankly, not "semi-docile because of the Wilde problem". The Wilde are a nuisance to the Corsair Empire, nothing more. Given that the Wilde's server presence is also extremely low, I'd judge their potential threat to the Corsairs as a whole as being negligible. There's a viable opening here for a crusade to be called into being. There, I'm just going to have to flatly disagree with you based on obvious evidence.
The Norfolk is evidently not capable of holding the Cambridge Line. It's simply failing in that task. As the faction document points out, the BAF doesn't have the resources to deal with the Corsairs behind Bretonian borders efficiently or really at all, so the Order of the Lion takes matters into its own hands.
William of Acre and his men would plainly disagree with you there when you say that the Corsairs are the second-biggest threat. They view the Corsairs as the greatest risk to Bretonian safety and are ready and willing to counter it if the Bretonian Armed Forces cannot and will not.
The Freelancer ID is a makeshift solution, something like the Colonial Remnant (poor example, possibly, but hey) making use of an IMG ID in 4.84. Please don't confuse us with bounty hunters or self-employed mercenaries. We wouldn't accept credits for simply fulfilling the Crusaders' oath every Knight of the Lion swears to wipe out the Corsair menace. In fact, I'm considering making just that one of the Order's tenets. The Vigilante ID doesn't permit jetting around in the Omicrons - besides, the term "vigilante" smacks of disaffected citizens gathering up torches and pitchforks. We're an organized, coordinated, and governmentally sanctioned warhost rallying against the Corsair Empire. In fact, the Order even makes sense from a budgetary or troop allocation point of view - we're covering those bases the BAF is too busy to cover themselves.
Yes, we have been discussing this with BAF representatives. I would be William of Acre, and yeah, the BAF Skype chat probably isn't getting much input from me because I'm not, in fact, in it.
And about "this entire thing stinking of just wanting to come and kill Corsairs"? C'mon, Chris, have more faith in us than that. Haven't I been doing a good job in that regard along with my fellow Guildmasters in the BHG|?
' Wrote:Vigilante ID can't work Bacon, as for some strange reason it doesn't allow you to operate in the Omegas or Omicrons.
For the rest of the faction, I would suggest using civilian ships and weapons at first. Get templars and so on through diplomatic requests?
Yup, as I pointed out to Zelot, it's entirely the province of the BAF to decide whether or not to allocate us Bretonian equipment, and, if so, what type and how much. We've asked Banza's opinion on this already, and he sees no problem involved; getting hold of LeMaitre next. We'll doubtlessly be fielding many Civilian ships - I myself, as William, will be jumping in an Eagle.