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Gallia: Isolationist or Imperialist?

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Gallia: Isolationist or Imperialist?
Offline Quorg
06-05-2009, 05:55 PM,
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Alright, I'm a bit confused about Gallic diplomacy.

They seem bent on dominating Sirius and ruling over its residents, but at the same time they seem to want to keep to themselves.

How do we reconcile this?

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Offline Linkus
06-05-2009, 06:12 PM,
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Gallia has existed in secret for hundreds of years.
They believe that the original sleeper ship houses betrayed them.
They want to go to war with all of Sirius.
That's the isolationist and imperialistic aspect.

They want revenge. That means either killing everyone in Sirius or just going to war with them, not sure how clear cut that is.





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Offline tazuras
06-05-2009, 06:20 PM,
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What linkus said is true, but no wait, there is more. Gallia isolated itself so it could build itself up in secret and create a huge military force capable of conquering all of Sirius without anyone in Sirius knowing. The Council opened the field before Gallia was quite ready to go to war so now the plan is to keep foreigners oout so as few people find out about Gallia's strength as possible, and take out the Council in Languedoc so they can control the primary passage into Gallia again and keep everyone out until they are ready to launch an invasion force.

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Offline DAnvilFan
06-06-2009, 03:14 AM,
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This makes so little sense. Whoever betrayed the French house is hundreds of years dead. It would make sense to have a Feud if there's constant contact (Kashmir, Palestine, Korea, etc), but Gallia has been isolated all that time.

It makes no sense for them to take vengence on millions of people that are generations removed from whatever dude sabotaged their ship.
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It makes perfect sense, plenty of feuds still exist even if the original instigators are long dead, one example being the Catholic/Protestant feud which is still going on in some parts of the world.

Also they've been planning this for how ever many years and to my knowledge the same royal family still controls Gallia, I doubt a new king would turn to the people and basically say "You know what? Who cares if they screwed us over? Who cares that we've been manufacturing weapons for the sole purpose of destroying the other houses? We'll just go and say hi, how's it going? We were going to kill you but when I came into power I decided to forget about everything my house and family have been striving for the past few hundred years or so."

Feuds can and do stay alive for a very very long time.
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Offline sovereign
06-06-2009, 05:49 PM,
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Aye. Plus, the idea of conquering the entirety of humanity is probably a pretty big lure all by itself... the latest generations are likely using the idea of revenge as a way to keep people supporting them, while being personally more interested in the sheer amount of power they would have.

As for the original question, Gallia was isolationist in order to hide their imperialist intentions. The Council kind of messed that up for them.

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Offline Ash
06-06-2009, 05:58 PM,
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Pretty much outlined by Linkus.

Gallia are imperialist at heart, but being isolationist was just a step in their plan for domination. Actually the rest of sirius dont really know what the Royalists had in mind for them, unless the Council told them.....

Hmm, a conundrum.

Perhaps they're staying isolationist because they don't want too much to slip on information regaurding their fleets, tactics and/or plans. If you don't know your enemy then they have the advantage of surprise.

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I think if gallia really did try to do that, Everyone would completely gangrape them to nothingness, Perhaps even the hispanians would help. Think about it, whoelse is on gallias side? Numbers almost always win. Just for an example, D-Day, 1944. The allies, made up of US, UK, Canada, and others, Vs. only one, Nazi Germany. The Allies had 150,000 soldiers. The Nazi's had 380,000. History repeats itself.

Anyhow, What type of governmnet is gallia, Constitutional Monarchy?
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Offline sovereign
06-06-2009, 11:40 PM,
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From the looks of it, Gallia is just a Monarchy. They have a Royal Family, I've seen no mention of a parliament or anything of the sort, and it would appear the members of the Royal Family can freely appoint themselves to whatever jobs they want (as seen with the Prince and Princess being higher-ups with the GRN)- standard Monarchy style. Gallia seems to be modeled after pre-French Revolution France, with the Council taking things a little farther ahead. It's also possible it's modeled after Napolean's France, but with the Royalty bit preserved from earlier- which would certainly explain the imperialism.

As for their ability to pull it off... have you been to Gallia? They have five (I think) colonized systems in their borderworlds, and news indicates that even these densely packed systems are nothing compared to the resources and population of the core worlds- another five systems. The sheer number of planets gives them the resources to build a massive fleet that would make Rheinland's SP fleet look positively pathetic, and that's not even taking into account that they've had 730 years to build up a Navy with nobody ever fighting them (for the most part). The Council forces are significant, but even their news is saying that the GRN are amassing in Dauphine to pummel them out of the way, and that fleet is just the tip of the iceberg.

Gallia is big, and Gallia has had a very long time to prepare. No one on the outside has any idea of their tactics or strategy, but they have knowledge of Sirius military operations and have certainly had opportunity to test their own. They have a good shot at it, and the will to try.

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Offline tazuras
06-07-2009, 12:07 AM,
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Here are the relevant posts from the Q&A. A little dated perhaps but still a fairly good guide I think:

' Wrote:Q: What is known about regime of Gallia? Are there any historical prototypes?
A: Gallia is a constitutional monarchy, in some ways similar to Bretonia. However, the kings and queens of Gallia has significantly more powers and privileges than observed in modern-day constitutional monarchies. As for historical prototypes, I'll leave them for you to decide.

Q: Is Gallia as technologically advanced as the rest of Sirius?
A: Yes. Moreover, in many ways Gallia is more advanced than the other Houses. To achieve technological superiority, Gallia used spies to collect data on various technologies that were used in Sirius. Technology of jump gates and trade lanes, for example, was successfully implemented to build Gallia's own space transit system.

Gallia was not set back by delayed colonization. In fact, larger sleeper ship allowed to transfer about twice more people than other nations could transfer, and right now the population of Gallia is the largest of all Sirius houses.

Q: What was the purpose of isolation?
A: Purpose was to achieve technological and military superiority over the rest of Sirius Houses. Using information collected by their spies, along with their own research, Gallic engineers and scientists have indeed surpassed the current level of Sirius technology in many areas. However, this also meant that wellbeing of simple citizens was far from being number one on the government's priority list.

Q: What awaits Gallia now, once the isolation is breached?
A: Technological superiority of Gallia is very far from being sufficient to wage a full-scale war in other parts of Sirius. Besides, the only path into Sirius is currently guarded by Council, who are ready to defend it by any means necessary. So, preparations for the future war now became useless, and Gallic government will have to seek new ways to deal their new neighbors.

Military power of the Council was severely weakened by casualties they suffered. They are still a force to be reckoned with, but Gallic Royal Navy will use the moment to strike back. Few believe that isolated Council forces remaining in Languedoc will be able to hold back the Navy long enough to fortify their positions.

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