Ragetti has been sanctioned owing to a report posted on the Aug 25, 2009 for:
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Quote:6.19 Pirates have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship, but killing trader ship before demanding money or cargo is not allowed. "Halt" is not a demand that justifies destroying a trader.
3.5 Attempts to pose as admins and attempts to interpret rules are not allowed. Using an Admin's name without prior consent of the Admin is never allowed.
Threats of sanctions will result in a sanction against those threatening, and may be equivalent in monetary and equipment value to the sanction threatened.
Consequences: Perhaps due to an intersection of dark matter, mayhap by the wild energies coursing from the blasted ruin composing the hellish surface of 41's neutron star, a dark surface holding in check the bizzare soup of her strange matter core, but, behold! Ragetti's guns have come to life.
Let us hear their conversation.
"Hey, Excalibur."
"Yes Twilight?
"We're being employed in a supposed act of bounty hunting, for a bounty which doesn't exist, under the conditions that the bounty will be payed upon delivery of the associated funds by the intended victim. Isn't that, technically, extortion?"
"By jove you're right Excalibur!" Exclaimed the newly sentient firearm, possessing a keen mind for law. "That's technically a form of piracy, which I will be no part of."
"Hear hear! Better dead than a slave to a morally repugnant conscious!"
And so they exploded.
The end.
Fined all guns. Bounties pursued, if not posted, may be viewed as PVP abuse. Demanding someone pay you X million credits or be hunted forever is not bounty hunting, it's piracy.
This matter needs clarification. I know this situation very well, because we were having clan gathering during this event.
One of Pioneer Corporation Miner Ships was mining Gold at Dublin. Person who sent this report STOLED whole 5 k of gold, and flew away. Without any word or anything. Whole package was waiting for our PC|Zoner Trade Convoy whale. We do not have any screens, but on the other hand, how to prove such action, without response of this guy ?
Of course it is our fault, that we didn't report it in specified topic, but we would like to notice, that person was informed for what action he is chasing. He still didn't respond, and he didn't stop. What else could Ragetti do, to settle this matter without taking him down ?
We have screens to prove all this, so please reply this, or write prv msg Sir.
Assaulting the said trader several days later on one character for what was done to your other character is ground for PvP abuse(this kinda like revenge killing you can say.) What's worse is he first claimed his action was out of a bounty collection (which by the way didn't exist then nor now) in order to justify his random attack. Then moments after killing this said trader, the following messages to this trader proved right then and there that his actions were not out of collecting bounties but simply, to scare this trader into giving up an unreasonable amount of money for his other character's unfortunate luck.
So even if this said thief had actually stolen something like gold sitting in mid-air,it is still illegal to make a bounty (in your own head), and fulfill it yourself, especially since it was never posted on the forums which it is required.
Had your friend posted a reasonable (in-RP bounty) and had one of his friends (even you) collect it, it would've been valid and unsanctionable.
I would also like to point out, though it may have changed since then, though he was flying a pirate (bargest) bomber he did, in fact, have both a freelancer tag and ID. Unfortunately the trader did not get a screen of this.
' Wrote:Assaulting the said trader several days later on one character for what was done to your other character is ground for PvP abuse(this kinda like revenge killing you can say.) What's worse is he first claimed his action was out of a bounty collection (which by the way didn't exist then nor now) in order to justify his random attack. Then moments after killing this said trader, the following messages to this trader proved right then and there that his actions were not out of collecting bounties but simply, to scare this trader into giving up an unreasonable amount of money for his other character's unfortunate luck.
So even if this said thief had actually stolen something like gold sitting in mid-air,it is still illegal to make a bounty (in your own head), and fulfill it yourself, especially since it was never posted on the forums which it is required.
Had your friend posted a reasonable (in-RP bounty) and had one of his friends (even you) collect it, it would've been valid and unsanctionable.
With all the respect Sir, You are very wrong writing that it was all done by one character (I mean miner, whale and pirate on the same acc number), because it wasn't. I don't know what screens have You got, but the one I made says something completely different, maybe You watched them in bad order ? First I wrote that there is a bounty for stealing gold, then started to shoot BECAUSE TRADER HAVEN'T STOPPED, even after using 27 (!!) cd's. So please stop writing some divagation, when You haven't got strong proofs for it.
Whole matter is about not mentioned about this bounty at forum, and ok. That is understandable. But it would be fair, if the act he made (trader) was also punished. He made something illegal, that initiated my actions as the pirate. Why You punished only me? He is a Zoner, stealing is against his ID and RP.
' Wrote:I would also like to point out, though it may have changed since then, though he was flying a pirate (bargest) bomber he did, in fact, have both a freelancer tag and ID. Unfortunately the trader did not get a screen of this.
Nothings has changed, from the very beginning, I have FL IFF, Pirate ID everything according the rules. Another wrong information (so many of them in Your post).
I think the Admins have the fire power to back up the claims of both the miner and the "pirate" belonging to the same person. That and your bad English shines right through (no offense.)
You weren't pirating in that attack simply because you didn't make a demand you simply said I had a bounty on my head, which was never made on the forums, so in technicality is grounds for PvP abuse.
Another thing is your aggression towards the said trader isn't out of piracy but simply to get you gold back, but once again in technicality if you had the said ID it the time (Which I'm positive you did not, but since I have no proof I'll leave it at that) you were completely right for attacking him.
As far as the whole "he is Zoner! ST3AL1NG IZ AGAINST HIZ ARRPEE!!1!!" line not, there isn't anything saying that tractoring in some rocks someone took the risk of leaving out in the open is against a zoner's "ARRPEE".
I will point out that considering where and when you attacked and blew him up, I strongly blew his cargo was worth 3 or 4 times more than your 5K of gold 7 or 8 times at the suspected drop off point. So in that I think it's safe to say you did a greater or equal amount of damage to his funds. So on a personal note, putting the RP and sanctions aside I think you can call it "even".
' Wrote:I think the Admins have the fire power to back up the claims of both the miner and the "pirate" belonging to the same person. That and your bad English shines right through (no offense.)
You weren't pirating in that attack simply because you didn't make a demand you simply said I had a bounty on my head, which was never made on the forums, so in technicality is grounds for PvP abuse.
Another thing is your aggression towards the said trader isn't out of piracy but simply to get you gold back, but once again in technicality if you had the said ID it the time (Which I'm positive you did not, but since I have no proof I'll leave it at that) you were completely right for attacking him.
As far as the whole "he is Zoner! ST3AL1NG IZ AGAINST HIZ ARRPEE!!1!!" line not, there isn't anything saying that tractoring in some rocks someone took the risk of leaving out in the open is against a zoner's "ARRPEE".
I will point out that considering where and when you attacked and blew him up, I strongly blew his cargo was worth 3 or 4 times more than your 5K of gold 7 or 8 times at the suspected drop off point. So in that I think it's safe to say you did a greater or equal amount of damage to his funds. So on a personal note, putting the RP and sanctions aside I think you can call it "even".
I think it all went in wrong way. Sorry to say, but were You this 'transporter' ? If no, I think You don't have right to write in here.
As You noticed, Ragettis' English isn't very good, and that's why I'm helping him as his CL. Admins are free to check this acc, and I GUARANTEE that PIRATE AND MINER SHIPS ARE DIFFERENT PERSONS ! So this matter is not up to You atm.
As fas as I know Zoners can't take actions in unlawful actions (maybe stealing is legal?), so tell me how miner ship should get 5k cargo ? In a normal clan someone is mining, other person is collectiong. So now, let assume that with miner ship was some kind of guard (bomber/crusier whatever). They are waiting for Whale to collect it, and here they comes 'transporter' collects it without any word, and flew. Can the guard attack him ? For me its 100% YES.
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Pilot carrying this ID is a Zoner Guard, who:
* Can trade and escort traders
* Can demand Zoner pilots from any ship carrying them and can attack if the demand is ignored or refused
* Can only attack those who are : directly attacking Zoners or Zoner NPC faction allies, carrying Zoner pilots, diplomatically hostile to Zoners, or those who have violated Freeport neutrality
* Cannot ally with anyone except against Zoner faction enemies, or to defend Zoners, Zoner bases, or Zoner allies
* Cannot participate in any unlawful actions
* Cannot fulfill bounty contracts except against Zoner faction enemies
* The Zoner ID does not make you immune to piracy; pirates may choose at their discretion whether to exempt you from being pirated.
We can't call it even, because pirate lost all his weps worth way of any cargo 'transporter' could have. So sorry, that is not fair.
Dusty Lens please consider this, if anything needed, just write.
' Wrote:I think it all went in wrong way. Sorry to say, but were You this 'transporter' ? If no, I think You don't have right to write in here.
As You noticed, Ragettis' English isn't very good, and that's why I'm helping him as his CL. Admins are free to check this acc, and I GUARANTEE that PIRATE AND MINER SHIPS ARE DIFFERENT PERSONS ! So this matter is not up to You atm.
As fas as I know Zoners can't take actions in unlawful actions (maybe stealing is legal?), so tell me how miner ship should get 5k cargo ? In a normal clan someone is mining, other person is collectiong. So now, let assume that with miner ship was some kind of guard (bomber/crusier whatever). They are waiting for Whale to collect it, and here they comes 'transporter' collects it without any word, and flew. Can the guard attack him ? For me its 100% YES.
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Pilot carrying this ID is a Zoner Guard, who:
* Can trade and escort traders
* Can demand Zoner pilots from any ship carrying them and can attack if the demand is ignored or refused
* Can only attack those who are : directly attacking Zoners or Zoner NPC faction allies, carrying Zoner pilots, diplomatically hostile to Zoners, or those who have violated Freeport neutrality
* Cannot ally with anyone except against Zoner faction enemies, or to defend Zoners, Zoner bases, or Zoner allies
* Cannot participate in any unlawful actions
* Cannot fulfill bounty contracts except against Zoner faction enemies
* The Zoner ID does not make you immune to piracy; pirates may choose at their discretion whether to exempt you from being pirated.
We can't call it even, because pirate lost all his weps worth way of any cargo 'transporter' could have. So sorry, that is not fair.
Your "friend"'s loss of guns and equipment was out of his breaking the rules, I had no power over that, if you really wanted revenge/payment for your "stolen" loot you/he should've found a way to do so with ou breaking rules. Maybe then you wouldn't have found yourself PvPing the admins.
And....I am the person you hate and the bastard you made.
Stop be ironic, because when Admin will check accounts, You may be very disappointed that whole this '3 persons in one pirate theory' will break down.
As I wrote before, reasons for taking weps are clear. And there is no claims about it. Just sanction all sides of this conflict, because both of them are guilty. NOT ONLY ONE. So explain it to me, what did You do? Just took it yes ? And if there were some guard ships You would take it too yes ?
I'm not PvPing Admins, maybe You didn't noticed, but I'm writing arguments, and waiting for their response.
PS. who wrote I hate you... Strange things in here, really.