Have you ever been pulled over by a Tank?

[Cawdor]

Right now. The military has it all while the Police tries to be a military in order to keep up. This must change.


_________ Step 1: Accept the following facts

The military should

• wage wars
  
• participate in war exercises
  
• do recon, infiltration and other secret service missions (depends on house)
  
• patrol the Borders
  
• fight threats that are exclusively dedicated to destroy or sabotage the Military (in case of LN: HF, Rheinland unlawfuls)
  
• pirate traders' cargo at front lines (Bering, Hudson, Tau 31),
  
• deal with Aliens and Terrorists
  
• only fight piracy if asked for assistance by the police
  

The military should not

• scan or hunt Smugglers
  
• pursue Smugglers for what ever reason
  
• fight Piracy
  
• fly SHFs
  

The police should

• scan and hunt Smugglers
  
• fight Piracy
  
• fly LFs, HFs, SHFs
  
• Defend its self from what ever wants to destroy it.
  

The police should not

• participate in wars
  
• fight threats that are exclusively dedicated to destroy the Military (Police cars vs Tanks anyone?)
  
• fly VHFs, Gunboats and up
  
• deal with Aliens or Terrorists
  

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_________ Step 2: Change the Mod

• Change ID restrictions accordingly
  
• Add SHFs to all police forces (they work out great for the police in rheinland. especially unstoppable when supported by LFs)
  

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_________ Step 3: Share Members

The military and the police factions of a House should share members and obligate everyone to own a military vessel as well as a police vessel. Separate chars are required. The RP remains unchanged. So do the faction status pages. If there are no military threads, the players jump on their police chars and, obviously, police the place. If there are military threads (Wilds, Nomads, Hellfire Legion, Invaders) or if there are war exercises planned, players will squeeze some fun out of their military chars/RP/dogfights/capfights.


These recommendations are the result of a two year long observation of flawed Police-Military relations.


EDIT:

If anyone cares, I am no longer convinced that the police should be in any way limited when it comes to the use of fighters. I don't even think that they should be bashed for flying gunboats considering that's unlawful standard gear.

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[Dab]

This was already attempted once. All it did was drastically increase smuggling and piracy, because none of the police factions were active except LPI, who can't manage the overwhelming amount of piracy in Liberty without LN backup. When your opponent is a 5-GB gang, your 4 LFs/VHFs/SHFs aren't going to get you anywhere.

Put simply; Tried, didn't work, reverted. A way to increase police faction activity would be great, but this method isn't a good choice for that.

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[SeaFalcon]

Looks back at the story line. Not sure what mission but the navy did help the police out with that rogue base. If I'm correct. so..

Military can assist in fighter piracy?

[Cawdor]

It would, of course, take time for the Police to build up members. Keep in mind however that a "5.GB Gang" is not all day business and even creates problems for the navy.

However, this is one of the reason why I suggested the introduction of SHFs for the other police forces as it is capable of firing a SN as well as mounting a bunch of debs (7 or 8 guns in total, I think).

Looks back at the story line. Not sure what mission but the navy did help the police out with that rogue base. If I'm correct. so..

Military can assist in fighter piracy?

I shall adjust the list accordingly


military

[*]may only fight piracy if asked for assistance by the police

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[Prysin]

police needs a special kind of ships... like hyper light bombers... VHF agility, 1 CD, 1 snac, 2 class 8 slots, 30k energy. With low armour, HF shield and low b/b count.

something so agile it be a pain, yet still not invulnerable. The ships would be LOCKED to the police guard (like zoner whale is locked to the Zoner Guard)... ONLY Police guard can buy THEIR OWN VERSION, Noone else. Anyone else seen flying it gets their ships starflead, no exceptions.... this will make a clear message to the ones just going to buy a super police vessel, before getting their merc ID.

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[Dab]

It would, of course, take time for the Police to build up members. Keep in mind however that a "5.GB Gang" is not all day business and even creates problems for the navy.

However, this is one of the reason why I suggested the introduction of SHFs for the other police forces as it is capable of firing a SN as well as mounting a bunch of debs (7 or 8 guns in total, I think).
I shall adjust the list accordingly
military

[*]may only fight piracy if asked for assistance by the police

Sure, it can use a bunch of guns and a SNAC.. Now go try to dodge GB missiles with it.

It may have more shielding and armor, but it'll also take much more damage in a short amount of time than a bomber or VHF would.

Taking out the military's ability to fight piracy isn't a good idea. Smuggling, maybe.

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[Dusty Lens]

Yes I have been pulled over by a tank. But that's off topic.

I have also been pulled over by a Coast Guard Gunship.

But that was in coastal waters. They were wondering if, perhaps, we had drugs or maybe were involved with a little human trafficking.

Sorry if my experiences muck with your point.

[Cawdor]

Yes I have been pulled over by a tank. But that's off topic.

I have also been pulled over by a Coast Guard Gunship.

But that was in coastal waters. They were wondering if, perhaps, we had drugs or maybe were involved with a little human trafficking.

Sorry if my experiences muck with your point.

Oh you rather confirm my point, since I assume that you were in a boat your self - like a Heavy Tanker or something? I also assume that the carrier and the destroyer two miles off didn't care at all whether or not you had drugs aboard.
Also, please tell me more about how that tank pulled you over. Did the gunner give you a ticket?

police needs a special kind of ships... like hyper light bombers... VHF agility, 1 CD, 1 snac, 2 class 8 slots, 30k energy. With low armour, HF shield and low b/b count.

something so agile it be a pain, yet still not invulnerable. The ships would be LOCKED to the police guard (like zoner whale is locked to the Zoner Guard)... ONLY Police guard can buy THEIR OWN VERSION, Noone else. Anyone else seen flying it gets their ships starflead, no exceptions.... this will make a clear message to the ones just going to buy a super police vessel, before getting their merc ID.

They are called SHFs.

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[mwerte]

And were you involved in "little human trafficking" ?

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[Akura]

Screw police and military. I say we combine them.