' Wrote:Now reading this gives a clear picture Gallia is just another House that is at war with some of the other houses. If the BHG remains true to what it should be (and I am not talking about the core, I still don't understand the idea behind core) then they should see Gallic Navy as a lawful entity.
Good, that means we're doing our job properly in keeping the uninitiated confused, then.... :P
We're not arguing that they're lawful in the case of being the lawful navy of Gallia. The bounty hunter ID has these two lines in it:
Quote:Cannot ally with any unlawfuls
Cannot participate in any unlawful actions.
This is a case of me bringing up for discussion that RP may override ID as far as Gallia is concerned, and thus the reason for this thread. We've avoided that - mostly - in Sirius by not actually getting involved with the military actions in the Sirius houses. But now you're a force coming in that wants to conquer ALL of Sirius. Gallia may be 'just' another house at war with other houses - but do we really, truly know that?
We politely asked the GRN and GRP about working with them and got told in no uncertain terms to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Like I said - we're doing a lot of investigating at this point. We need to find out what contracts are available, and also just what, if anything, we can do up in this area. If it turns out to be nothing - well, we can always hunt Outcasts. (Those filthy Nomad worshippers...)
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
At the end of the day the Guild's general clientele and employers say who's lawful and who's not. So if the houses are being attacked by Gallia then the houses are going to say that Gallian lawful factions are unlawful, which some would say means that Gallic unlawfuls are in fact lawful.
' Wrote:If it turns out to be nothing - well, we can always hunt Outcasts. (Those filthy Nomad worshippers...)
As a PLAYER I know that - heck, I've spent way to much time in chat with Jamison to not know about that. As a Guild, though - that's why we're out there learning. When you see someone that doesn't get attacked by Nomads - well, there's SOMETHING odd going on there, right?
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
' Wrote:At the end of the day the Guild's general clientele and employers say who's lawful and who's not. So if the houses are being attacked by Gallia then the houses are going to say that Gallian lawful factions are unlawful, which some would say means that Gallic unlawfuls are in fact lawful.
What if in near future one of the Rheinland government terms Liberty government as unlawful, would BHG then start taking bounties on Liberty?
Quote:We politely asked the GRN and GRP about working with them and got told in no uncertain terms to shove it where the sun don't shine.
Now if one of original 4 houses said the same (highly unlikely) would BHG collaborate with the local pirates/unlawful/other factions and start taking bounty on them?
Quote:Cannot ally with any unlawful
Cannot participate in any unlawful actions.
That is the basic thing what differentiates a a Bounty Hunter and a Mercenary. If a lawful faction debars bounty hunters from their area they should not take bounties there. That is what I think bounty hunter guild should do.
Any tweaking in the ID will diminish the line between a bounty hunter and a Merc in corresponding areas.
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' Wrote:As a PLAYER I know that - heck, I've spent way to much time in chat with Jamison to not know about that. As a Guild, though - that's why we're out there learning. When you see someone that doesn't get attacked by Nomads - well, there's SOMETHING odd going on there, right?
To be honest the Guild most probably also has a few Outcasts that are aware of the various cults, and the like, of Outcasts that worship the Nomads.
Of course, no one truly knows why the Nomads don't attack the Outcasts; only the Nomads truly know why they don't attack the Outcasts.
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' Wrote:What if in near future one of the Rheinland government terms Liberty government as unlawful, would BHG then start taking bounties on Liberty?
Now if one of original 4 houses said the same (highly unlikely) would BHG collaborate with the local pirates/unlawful/other factions and start taking bounty on them?
The difference between Liberty and Gallia is that the Guild do business with Liberty. Working against Liberty would (I believe) be against the interests of the Guild. Were as Gallia have no interest whatsoever of paying the Guild bounties. So the Guild may as well take bounties from the unlawful side of Gallia.
' Wrote:What if in near future one of the Rheinland government terms Liberty government as unlawful, would BHG then start taking bounties on Liberty?
Now if one of original 4 houses said the same (highly unlikely) would BHG collaborate with the local pirates/unlawful/other factions and start taking bounty on them?
Actually, we've already had that discussion and argument, only it was related to Bretonia and Kusari. When that war initially started, we were't real popular in Kusari. (Still aren't THAT popular, but we can work with them now.) There were also bounties from the Bretonian government on Kusari ships in Bretonian space. We may have collected a few of those, and also worked with the BAF a few times against the KNF incursions. But we as a matter of simple business didn't really get too into that, and in fact stopped messing with the Kusari very quickly after it started.
The reasoning is quite simple, and Athenian said it quite nicely several months ago, back when George Graves still had a body to go with his brain...
' Wrote:Enforcing local law is one thing. Acting in a manner that suggests that you are picking sides in a conflict is another. Hunters have bases in all Houses. They have to be careful not to annoy people. And not in a Zoner-y kind of way. The RM have a stationary BS within easy distance of Rostock; Sheffield is in Bretonia; Deshima is in Kusari territory; the Guild originated in Texas and Houston is the local HQ. Getting involved in military operations possesses many potential problems. Plus you have to bear in mind that the Guild has corporate links that it cannot allow some gung-ho redneck jeopardise.
What's interesting is the next two posts in that thread...
' Wrote:Related question to above discussion.
Are the BHG allowed to shoot the Gallic Royal Navy if, say, Council hires them to? Technically the GRN are the law. But they're at war with everyone (including the BHG, we've shot the few that headed up to our turf).
This is why I strongly dislike the terms "lawful" and "unlawful" as a ruler for determining who you can shoot.
' Wrote:Lawful = House governments.
Might be time to pay Gallia a visit and see where we stand.
Upsetting the government won't result in any reprecussions against our facilities there, since we don't have any. So if they tell us to suck space, we can certainly return the favor...
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
for me, Gallia is Opposite World, where the pirates like my trader and the lawfuls hate it. I see no problem with BHG players taking bounties against gallic lawfuls - the gallic lawfuls want to subjugate all of sirius, whereas the gallic pirates merely want some of your cash. nao. r u dai. (i jest).
this is a perfect example of my enemy's enemy is my friend. '86 is definately gonna be 'living in interesting times'; where diplomatically-skilled RPers are prolly gonna have more fun than pew-pewery-minded players
' Wrote:for me, Gallia is Opposite World, where the pirates like my trader and the lawfuls hate it. I see no problem with BHG players taking bounties against gallic lawfuls - the gallic lawfuls want to subjugate all of sirius, whereas the gallic pirates merely want some of your cash. nao. r u dai. (i jest).
this is a perfect example of my enemy's enemy is my friend. '86 is definately gonna be 'living in interesting times'; where diplomatically-skilled RPers are prolly gonna have more fun than pew-pewery-minded players
Modern Gallic piracy is more like "pay me or I CD you and leave you for the NPCs", but yeah, that's the gist of it.
Diplomacy with the Gallic advance will be crazy. I hope that the dev team (myself included) is capable of adjusting things quickly enough that we can let players have more freedom than just following word of god. I hope.