' Wrote:You realize that you're violating several military laws and treaties by those actions, right?
If the BAF do not have a problem with the WRF's actions I do not see how that is the case. By the way, don't need to say "you are" because I'm not in the WRF, in fact I'm only in factions hostile to them.
' Wrote:At the very least, a court martial should be in the future of whoever was in charge of that diplomatic fiasco. You violated sovereign Bretonian space with a war-fleet. (Now, whether you're found guilty at that court martial trial is another thing, but I leave that for the military command.)
See my statement above.
' Wrote:Your comments on here regarding this indicate to me that you've never actually served in a military. You can't just do stuff like head out of your assigned territory like that. My actual recommendation would be that if you want to kill Zoners, go do it in something OTHER than your WRF ships. That's just not what they should be doing. Hell, Zoners have been letting Corsairs and other unmentionables dock at Freeport 1 for ages, and the Bretonian government knows that.
Again, I'm not in the WRF, this was a decision on their own, don't even try to pin me for this one. I had no part in it. Also, as I said, see first statement regarding violating military laws and whatnot.
' Wrote:In other words, before you screw with what someone else has going on in their sovereign space, you should let THEM try to handle it. If Bretonia thought it was bad enough, they could easily hire the Bounty Hunters Guild or the Mandalorians to handle it.
They could have, why don't you talk to them?
' Wrote:Again, key words here - sovereign space, where you have no authority to be in the first place. PERIOD! (Seriously, you may as well go up to Bering and blow up the Freeport there - that would at least make sense from an RP perspective, since that's actually where Rheinland has a shooting war going on...)
And again, first statement. This is entirely up to the BAF to decide if they have violated anything. "Period."
' Wrote:If the WRF behaved has a normal branch of the RM and not like a bunch of hooligans working for Daumann, maybe they would be respected.
Just to clarify it a bit; WRF doesn't work for Daumann, I don't know why some people keeps saying that but it's funny, if anyone has evidence of them taking orders from Daumann I'd like to see it. Last time I checked WRF assists all rheinlanders in Stuttgart, O7 and O11; and even in some cases the rest of Rheinland; not just daumannites.
By the by. On the topic of Freeport 1:
Considering the Zoners settled the edge systems to not live under the yoke of house rules and regulations... If the Bretonians would lay claim to Omega 3, wouldn't the Zoners of FP1 simply have moved elsewhere, basically abandoning the freeport to whoever wanted to move in? Might make sense to turn that station into a BAF outpost, or maybe even a Freelancer station, rather then a Zoner one. Being subject to Bretonian law contradicts the Zoner way of life.
With Gran Canaria and the larger bases like Puerto Novo not far, I don't see why Zoners would stick around where they are not wanted. Traders aside of course. Especially with the disintegration of the Zoner alliance, and the disbanding of the ZDF those bases are more vulnerable then ever.
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' Wrote:By the by. On the topic of Freeport 1:
Considering the Zoners settled the edge systems to not live under the yoke of house rules and regulations... If the Bretonians would lay claim to Omega 3, wouldn't the Zoners of FP1 simply have moved elsewhere, basically abandoning the freeport to whoever wanted to move in? Might make sense to turn that station into a BAF outpost, or maybe even a Freelancer station, rather then a Zoner one. Being subject to Bretonian law contradicts the Zoner way of life.
With Gran Canaria and the larger bases like Puerto Novo not far, I don't see why Zoners would stick around where they are not wanted. Traders aside of course. Especially with the disintegration of the Zoner alliance, and the disbanding of the ZDF those bases are more vulnerable then ever.
Omega 3 has been claimed by Bretonia far longer than Pennsylvania has been claimed by Liberty.
' Wrote:I guess my question is this, though, because I've been following what's shown up on the forums.
WTF is the WRF doing in Omega-3?
You're operating in a system where you have no military authority. Who cares what is going on in Omega 3, from the perspective of the RM...
Okay so Omega 3 and WRF patrol there... Have 2 reason. 1st there is Rheinland interest, thinking Rugen station. 2nd and this is the major, the 2 house military high command made a semi official agreement with each other about that how Omega 7 and Omega 3 is a kind of common patrol area. Its called Cambridge Pact. [RM] entered O3 more times like BAF came to O7. This agreement is accepted in speech and now, after when I asked clarifiaction it will be on written form - check comm channel. Usually WRF go there if we get a report about pirates who block the lanes or gates. Until now zero official protest from BAF or [RM] or any faction who have base there....
' Wrote:The OPG - HAF war only had admin intervention because both sides decided to start submitting malicious reports on each other and trying to get each other sanctioned. If any conflict ever reaches that stage, it is promptly shut down by the admin team and with good reason.
So unless something like this starts happening and disrupting good server gameplay, the admins will quite likely not intervene at all.
Also, I do not believe the dev team will remove the Rheinland Police NPC faction. Should the RFP decide to rebel against the government, they should RP it as "a part of the Rheinland Police defected" or perhaps "the government quickly conscripted replacements for the positions". But it is extremely unlikely the NPC faction will be permanently removed due to this RP.
Sure unnecessary this, all State just change the police leader if he do not accomplish the job what is his duty.... Normally the commanding chain: Kanzler or Head of the State ->Home Affairs Minister -> Head of the police. The minister give or withdraw mandate of head of police and he do his job wrong.... not the whole police fired onl ythe leader:)Check your own construction of state
' Wrote:Now the WRF are attacking Zoners in Rheinland, who count as civilians. So therefore the Polizei are going to defend them. Now if the RMHC support the WRF in this and choose to therefore help in the attack on Rheinland civilians (the Zoners) in Rheinland space, then the Polizei have to stop them.
Please show me where and when attacked WRF any Zoner within Rheinland territory. We never did it (except if he carried contraband but thats another story). Was a zoner who wanted to be marty showing you vidence sadly his trap failed we dont shot him:P. So until now nothing happened within Rheinland territory against zoners, so your attack against us was an unnecessary hostile thing.
' Wrote:Sure unnecessary this, all State just change the police leader if he do not accomplish the job what is his duty.... Normally the commanding chain: Kanzler or Head of the State ->Home Affairs Minister -> Head of the police. The minister give or withdraw mandate of head of police and he do his job wrong.... not the whole police fired onl ythe leader:)Check your own construction of state
Yes, but this is a game. So you can't exactly just remove me from leading my own faction. If you can, I can do it.
Although you can force my character out. But then I could just create a new Inspekteur to be. But you can't have a Polizei with this current Zoner situation because following the orders of criminals is against the Polizei oath, for the NPCs and the players.
' Wrote:Please show me where and when attacked WRF any Zoner within Rheinland territory. We never did it (except if he carried contraband but thats another story). Was a zoner who wanted to be marty showing you vidence sadly his trap failed we dont shot him:P. So until now nothing happened within Rheinland territory against zoners, so your attack against us was an unnecessary hostile thing.
The threats were convincing. And you openly stated you'd attack any Zoners in Rheinland, whether they were breaking laws of not. So were we going to wait and let you carry out a wave of destruction while the RMHC "made a decision"?
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' Wrote:After reading this... I'm convinced that WRF needs Vigilante IDs, and lose the ships you are currently in. You are not behaving in accordance with the ID you have and frankly, going this far could (and should) get you sanctioned based on a 6.6 and 6.10 violation.
So, what would these Zoners fall under? Pirate? Terrorist? Hostile military? I can understand attacking a Junker based on the assumption it's a pirate, but even for that you'd need some evidence (or just demand they leave the system). Attacking civilian vessels from factions Rheinland is not at war with is a violation of the constraints of the Rheinland Military ID (unless they carry contraband). And since there are no Zoner bases in Rheinland's sphere of influence (that I know of) complaining they allow pirates to dock is a mock reason. Omega 3 is a Bretonian protectorate. If you want to boot bases pirates can dock on, axe the junker depots.
IMG base Freistadt sometimes has Hessians docking there ('though we try to discourage it). Will you start shooting IMG next? And who will you bully after that?
I dont really know why everyone think that we start the war and we are the bad boys who need to change ID. Not we are the agressors actually RFP shot us from a thing what not happened yet. And about IMG, we protested multiple times against hessians, because we using command chain so to the RMHC. Their job doing against it not ours. We are just solders who follow orders from higher command.