' Wrote:You know. I uh.. I'm just gonna put this here..
This.. im going to say OOCly first.
Its not worth it getting weird and personal.. that is like.. too far man.
I dunno about some of the situations that are interpersonal in nature here but personally? ... What isnt to like with a little chaos in a situation we saw coming for awhile anywho? I think the new omicroner name is neat and fits the somewhat fed up pressure cooker environment these guys live in.
Where house millitary and police are somewhat like that as second nature and authoritarian.. there too much diversion into who does this and because of pew pew or cant rp or whatever.
Its a game.. damn have fun.
In character. my TAZ can only shake her head but having grown up on FP 9 it breaks her heart. This gave her more material to rp with. Thank you.
My junker hooptie has new sources for salvage... Whats not to like?
My robot has more boiunit behaviour to watch again whats not to like?
As for in character insults. JESUS CHRIST GROW UP. make believe guys.. roll with it. the psychological axiom to calling names is that if your casting the stone you have to fashion it out of your own self image before you can event call anyone a name. It can get Freudian from there but still. In character. settle it with a shot across the hull.
Also if there was OOC homo/nohomo. JESUS CHRIST GROW UP. its the internet. damn.
Anything you do here is like saying things with a bag over your head. I could say you all look like yesterdays lunch. or I love you guys. Theres still an internet bag over my head doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot. dont let this fantasy go too far.
On that note the fiction and the fun is great!
Keep on doing what your doing. Climates and events like this need to keep happening or else it will get.. terribly...terribly..terribly boring.
A bit fragmented, so it took a few reads.
Thank you for the feedback, we will try and keep it up?
I appreciate the idea, a more isolated, paranoid and protective subsection of the Zoners. It's something new.
Though I don't fully understand the events that led up to this: why FP9 was bombed, the TAZ hostilities, BHG hostilities and now potentially DHC hostilities (regarding which it'd probably be wise in a business sense to accept their demands) taking the Zoner RP in a new direction is admirable. I did worry before as to where the large difference between OSI and ZTC was, and now there is a clear distinction. I think in some ways this relates back to Vanilla, with a more 'fend for yourself' attitude.
The DHC thing could become funny, if some of the RM biggies start to try and stomp around in theta... Gives them lonely OC Zeppelins something interesting to shoot at.
I still feel that Omicroners are failing to create a neutral stance, but are strongly biased towards Order, to the point of an open alliance. All nice and dandy, but consider where you are, with Corsairs, Outcast, and BHG (and of course Order) all at your doorstep... An open alliance with enemies of either of these factions is just going to create headaches and battle for you. I think Freeport 5 has the right idea in banishing all non-snub/non-transport vessels from docking there, but otherwise rolling out the red carpet to anyone. That kind of neutrality, with equal rules for all, is the kind that Zoners traditionally survived, and thrived on.
The Jinkusu was a misstake. Zoners are not a warring people.
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From a time when all seems lost, from a dead man to a world, without restraint, unafraid and free.
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' Wrote:I still feel that Omicroners are failing to create a neutral stance
After all what happened we got "paranoid". If we don't know you and don't trust you, we don't like you to put your nose into O74. If you fail to contact us in advance or you're not invited, it's not our problem what happens to anybody in there. DHC is no special case, any other vessel falling in the cathegory of an "intruder" will be treated like that.
So we treat everybody with the same paranoia, ain't that "neutral"?;)
Personally, I think in the Omicrons, the DHC are a bit of a paper tiger: Zero influence, lots of bluster. Their influence is derived from their status within Rhienland, which is, to be fair, a long way away. Their supply lines (which do apply to corporate vessels too) are massive, and the locals unfriendly. When DHC ventures into the Omicrons (how do they know the route and everything anyway?) they shouldn't expect to get far.
Unfortunately, with the docking restrictions now put in place by DHC the reverse is true for Zoners venturing into their space. This is where things get interesting: Just how isolated and self-serving do the Omicroners want to roleplay? They probably wouldn't ever enter Rhienland themselves, and most of Zoners have never helped them, right?
Their actions could have repercussions on other Zoners, but with this new mentality of 'we are not all one' and fragmented, compartmentalised Zoners, would they actually care? Are problems you've caused for other Zoners your problem? Is others holding your Zoner brethren in other sectors 'hostage' a realistic threat? Another example of this could include the sabotage of Freeport 9 I suppose. That could be constituted as a major problem by the residents that you caused.
This is the part I find most interesting. From what I've seen from the Omicroners, the staple insult towards the other two factions is to call them traitors. They also seem to represent the militant core of the Zoners. However, the Omicroners stand a good chance of rendering themselves pariahs by other Zoners too for the sheer amount of grief they've caused.
Bear in mind, this isn't a criticism on your roleplay; far from it, I love the afore mentioned situations. A great way to fend off stagnation is to stir things up, which you've all been doing admirably. This post is more a query into the mindset of your characters and the motivations behind your actions, based off my own observations.
' Wrote:I appreciate the idea, a more isolated, paranoid and protective subsection of the Zoners. It's something new.
Though I don't fully understand the events that led up to this: why FP9 was bombed, the TAZ hostilities, BHG hostilities and now potentially DHC hostilities (regarding which it'd probably be wise in a business sense to accept their demands) taking the Zoner RP in a new direction is admirable. I did worry before as to where the large difference between OSI and ZTC was, and now there is a clear distinction. I think in some ways this relates back to Vanilla, with a more 'fend for yourself' attitude.
Congratulations on not understanding the hostility. It means we are in the same boat.
' Wrote:I still feel that Omicroners are failing to create a neutral stance, but are strongly biased towards Order, to the point of an open alliance. All nice and dandy, but consider where you are, with Corsairs, Outcast, and BHG (and of course Order) all at your doorstep... An open alliance with enemies of either of these factions is just going to create headaches and battle for you. I think Freeport 5 has the right idea in banishing all non-snub/non-transport vessels from docking there, but otherwise rolling out the red carpet to anyone. That kind of neutrality, with equal rules for all, is the kind that Zoners traditionally survived, and thrived on.
The Jinkusu was a misstake. Zoners are not a warring people.
Our neutrality is there and we are the only Zoner faction not to show any signs of an alliance with The Order. (Our official reputation with them is neutral.)
Good for you on that idea. Freeport 5 is Freeport 5. Glad to hear.
The Jinkusu was not a mistake, and it is a defensive measure in most cases.
Glad we sorted that out.
' Wrote:Their actions could have repercussions on other Zoners, but with this new mentality of 'we are not all one' and fragmented, compartmentalised Zoners, would they actually care? Are problems you've caused for other Zoners your problem? Is others holding your Zoner brethren in other sectors 'hostage' a realistic threat? Another example of this could include the sabotage of Freeport 9 I suppose. That could be constituted as a major problem by the residents that you caused.
This is the part I find most interesting. From what I've seen from the Omicroners, the staple insult towards the other two factions is to call them traitors. They also seem to represent the militant core of the Zoners. However, the Omicroners stand a good chance of rendering themselves pariahs by other Zoners too for the sheer amount of grief they've caused.
Bear in mind, this isn't a criticism on your roleplay; far from it, I love the afore mentioned situations. A great way to fend off stagnation is to stir things up, which you've all been doing admirably. This post is more a query into the mindset of your characters and the motivations behind your actions, based off my own observations.
Zoners were somewhat one. Now that is no longer. Freeport 9 will eventually fall under our jurisdiction. The people there are not going to keep up their super isolationist "goverment" for long.
Staple insult? More like calling it how it was. This is of course, in-RP. I just had enough of Arashi's blame game on Skype. We are not the militant core. We are the isolationist one. People just want to fight us. We cannot be called militant for defending our bases. Now, if we were raiding Omega 56 I could accept this commentary, but no, we are not and I cannot. (Also, Freeport 9 residents seem to think of OSI- and [TAZ] as cowards, or something along those lines too.)
Yes, well, if they are not in the Omicrons or Omegas then they are efficiently house sell-outs. But, I digress. I wonder who is the outcast of the Zoner way then? Also, grief? Please clarify.
Right, "a query into the mindset of your characters and the motivations behind your actions".
' Wrote:Staple insult? More like calling it how it was. This is of course, in-RP. I just had enough of Arashi's blame game on Skype.
I couldn't comment on the politics on Skype, given that I don't have it and have had nothing to do with them. As for traitor being an insult... Well, it is meant as one. You don't smile and wave at a passing OSI transport with a jaunty cry of, "why hello my good traitor!" Well, unless you're being sarcastic or condescending anyway. I didn't mean it was an insult out of roleplay. It'd have thought that kind of pettiness was below you anyway.
' Wrote:We are not the militant core. We are the isolationist one. People just want to fight us. We cannot be called militant for defending our bases. Now, if we were raiding Omega 56 I could accept this commentary, but no, we are not and I cannot.
Ok, I will admit you have a point on the militancy. That was just a vague feeling I was getting off the situation, is all. Not concrete conclusion backed up by evidence.
' Wrote:(Also, Freeport 9 residents seem to think of OSI- and [TAZ] as cowards, or something along those lines too.)
Again, I would assume that the above is a vague feeling you're getting off the situation, instead of a concrete conclusion based off empirical evidence. Opinions vary, and seem at the very least divided. I mean, ingame I've spoken to more people that were miffed at the ZTC, now Omicroners, about the whole blowing the biodomes off thing. But I digress. That's unimportant.
' Wrote:Yes, well, if they are not in the Omicrons or Omegas then they are efficiently house sell-outs. But, I digress. I wonder who is the outcast of the Zoner way then?
Freeport 10 begs to differ, which in the unmodded game is heralded as the Zoner settlement the furthest from the colonies. It was also mostly self-sufficient, with trade links to Freeport 6 for the parts it couldn't source itself. No house trade at all - Freeport 6 got the goods from the Houses, sure, but not '10. Plus if Freeport 6 is a House sellout, that puts it in exactly the same position (relatively speaking, geographically) as Freeport 1. There's the Taus too, remember?:P
' Wrote:Also, grief? Please clarify.
This was based on the afore mentioned biodome sabotage, trouble with the DHC (which I actually really like - it's a good conflict of interests), breakdown of negotiations with the Core (again, not your fault, but in character, people might see it differently. People act in strange ways when grudges are applied).
Anyway, I didn't particularly want to get overly bogged down in bickering here, given that the original intent of this was to give your group praise on a relatively unique roleplay outlook. I am glad you answered the question on opinions on outside Zoners though. I think that adds to the aspects of the group that I find interesting. A kind of philosophical ruthlessness that goes along with the isolationism, in my opinion (see reply to quote two before seizing this point).
I'll just quickly sum it up as: from the point of view of a relatively new community member, who holds little to no influence, you're doing good. I'll be watching carefully to see how Zoner inter-faction relationships develop.
I don't see the O as paranoid, but a group of people that are tired of trusting on others and be betraid.
About the situation of O74 .. is a guard system! What wil happen if i entr on any other guard system? Damn i can even enter any simple house system because i have a capital ship! Didn't the TAZ close Baffin because some guys that wanted too shoot Zoners? So what is the problem? There are others way to pass!
About the OSI, for me are merchant Zoners, and TAZ ... TAZ are TAZ i stopped to see then as Zoners but only TAZ .. sure i will help then if they need and if i can but ... is not the same thing!
About the Order .. aren't the Zoner and Order allies, i press the F8 and on Zoners i can read the Zoners are allies to The Order and GMG. And also The Order were the first ones to help when it was most need it, and a true Zoner don't bit the hand that helped.
So for all i continue to suport the O .. realy Omicroners isn't a pretty name but ... is a name!
About some that i saw here ... scum has the nicest thing that BHG COre call me and the worst i call then was Brainless Heads and murders!