I have a few questions for the admin team on this.
Why is it that the bounty wasn't closed sooner? From what I can tell the first target of the bounty was the leader of OSI, a Zoner faction. Why is it that only after a TAZ member was bountied did the bounty get closed? I'll assume this was an oversight by the admin/moderator team.
However, I don't truly believe that. You know why? Awhile back there was a bounty by a Zoner player (The one who RP'd as Freeport 18 or something.) on Mudd's Zoner. The admin/moderators didn't step in and stop that one. In fact a moderator stepped in and simply said that you cannot ask for the head of another players character but left the bounty open, knowing it was a Zoner on Zoner bounty.
So, as it stands we have a contradiction it the admin/moderator's stance on this. Add to that the fact that a Zoner placing a bounty on another Zoner isn't out of the question in role play. It would be, if Zoners were all one group with the same interests, they however are not.
So can we get a firm answer with the admins reasoning behind it. Is it okay to for a Zoner to place a bounty on another Zoner and why or why not.
Quote:I've got a question about the admin ruling on this.
Why can't people put bounties on people of their own faction? Especially in the Zoners, where viewpoints are as numbered and varied as there are people, interpretations how how they should behave differs. That's where the bounty came from.
As it is, Mike Rotch is a Zoner and so is Gabriel Caudill. If this ruling is going to be enforced, that would apply to both parts. But I don't see the reason why. Doesn't that sort of cripple any future RP regarding civil wars or violent disparities in opinion?
It's confused me either way. Thank you for your time.
~Howard.
This was a PM I sent to Cannon after the announcement. I didn't get an answer to it, and it pretty much echoes what you put above.
' Wrote:For your reference.
So can we get a firm answer with the admins reasoning behind it. Is it okay to for a Zoner to place a bounty on another Zoner and why or why not.
' Wrote:Zoner's can't bounty zoners. This part of this bounty is invalid.
There is your answer. Why not? Because it would be stupid to put a bounty on your own people.
' Wrote:There is your answer. Why not? Because it would be stupid to put a bounty on your own people.
Didn't read my first post did you? That you or don't understand it. I am questioning the very thing you quoted. Why? It contradicts past actions by the admins.
Actions in which admins let Zoner players bounty other Zoners.
Zoners are not one people. Therefore a Zoner placing a bounty on another isn't him placing a bounty on one of his own.
I'd also mention people place bounties on their own people all of the time. So that part of your post is also moot.
Now, since you can't seem to understand what is being discussed here, refrain from posting. You won't contribute anything to this thread because you won't open yourself to there being a view point other than your own.
if a zoner cannot put a bounty on another zoner - so can t a civilian.
the funny thing is - we actually do have the civilian ID ... and it would be a funny world if we pretended that all civilians all around sirius are friends who d never wish another civilian anything but the best.
factions are different - and it is true .... one LSF officer can probably not bounty another LSF officer. - nor can one Navy officer bounty a Navy general.
things look different for different factions though.... one junker cannot bounty another junker? - one liberty rogue cannot bounty another rogue? what is a faction? - sometimes it is a community - sometimes it is a nation.
does murder occur in families, countries, nations? - yes ...
a global rule to prevent that is just that ... a rule to be obeyed. it might be like the "capships must not shoot transports, no matter what" rule - which contradicts reason in certain situations, too - but is ( meant ) for a greater good.
Basically I want to know if the admins are going to stand by Canon's statement or allow Zoners to bounty Zoners. Either way I want the reasoning behind it.
' Wrote:Didn't read my first post did you? That you or don't understand it. I am questioning the very thing you quoted. Why? It contradicts past actions by the admins.
Actions in which admins let Zoner players bounty other Zoners.
Zoners are not one people. Therefore a Zoner placing a bounty on another isn't him placing a bounty on one of his own.
I'd also mention people place bounties on their own people all of the time. So that part of your post is also moot.
Now, since you can't seem to understand what is being discussed here, refrain from posting. You won't contribute anything to this thread because you won't open yourself to there being a view point other than your own.
I am sorry my friend, but if you can not understand why placing a bounty on your own people - same NPC affiliation, same ID - is stupid you need to get help from elsewhere
The BHG are not "one people" neither, their members come from all over Sirius, but you don't see them acting like that, do you? It's the same some other factions/NPC factions: Junkers, IMG, GMG, maybe even the Order
Here people/nations/groups/whatever are split into factions via ID's. If someone has the same ID as you then he is one of "your people". If you want to bounty one of "your people" go rogue, throw your ID in space and get a freelancer/mercenary/monkey ID and go crazy.
And yes, I am opened to any other opinions as long as they make sence, both in and out of RP. It's true, the Omicroners had a (very weak) RP reason to bounty OSI and TAZ leaders, but that is not enough. They should all get toghether and work out their problems in RP. The Corsair Council and Corsair Court are a very good example of how internal disputes should be solved if there are more player factions with the same ID/NPC alignment and I think all other factions that share the same ID should have a mandatory council/ruling body/etc with representatives from all the player factions involved. Sure, you can't make everybody happy all the time, but who doesn't like is free to go freelancer
' Wrote:I am sorry my friend, but if you can not understand why placing a bounty on your own people - same NPC affiliation, same ID - is stupid you need to get help from elsewhere
The BHG are not "one people" neither, their members come from all over Sirius, but you don't see them acting like that, do you? It's the same some other factions/NPC factions: Junkers, IMG, GMG, maybe even the Order
Here people/nations/groups/whatever are split into factions via ID's. If someone has the same ID as you then he is one of "your people". If you want to bounty one of "your people" go rogue, throw your ID in space and get a freelancer/mercenary/monkey ID and go crazy.
And yes, I am opened to any other opinions as long as they make sence, both in and out of RP. It's true, the Omicroners had a (very weak) RP reason to bounty OSI and TAZ leaders, but that is not enough. They should all get toghether and work out their problems in RP. The Corsair Council and Corsair Court are a very good example of how internal disputes should be solved if there are more player factions with the same ID/NPC alignment and I think all other factions that share the same ID should have a mandatory council/ruling body/etc with representatives from all the player factions involved. Sure, you can't make everybody happy all the time, but who doesn't like is free to go freelancer
While I am waiting on my files to copy over I'll educate you some. Zoners are not a people like the Corsairs. They are not an organization like the BHG. They are merely civilians who lean towards neutrality. They are not required to hold any loyalty to one another. They are not one people.
Your claim that if someone has the same ID as you means they are your people is ignorant. Using that logic all mercs are one people, all pirates are one people, all Special OPs are one people regardless of their SRP. Not to mention that a character itself doesn't have an ID. The ID resides on the ship and determines what you can do while logged into that vessel. I know countless people who have characters (the same RP character) that fly ships with different IDs. IDs have nothing to do with this discussion.
Vito, I'll ask again, quit posting in this thread. You have proven you don't understand what a Zoner is and you have proven you don't understand why I am asking this question. Which means you can't add anything of any value to this thread. It would be nice and mature of you to honor my request.
' Wrote:You won't contribute anything to this thread because you won't open yourself to there being a view point other than your own.
Hypocrisy much? You're not the one who decides if I bring something of value to this thread, so yeah, I'll post again. If you are not capable to have a healty and constructive debate it's not my problem
Anyway...
Mercenaries, pirates and freelancers are not one people, true. But zoners are. They have official player factions, bases (I know Barrier Gate Station, but that is irrelevant), guard systems, RP rules and regulations, leaders, etc. Merc/freelancer/pirate ID's =/= Zoner ID in terms of... well, being one people. Zoners are more like Junkers, IMG, GMG, BHG, etc. The only flaw in the current state of affairs is the lack of the former Zoner Alliance or any other form or ruling body who can control all zoner factions and, again (in my oppinion) I think the admins should write a rule and make that mandatory. Not just for the Zoners, but for all player factions who share the same ID
' Wrote:Zoners are not a people like the Corsairs. They are not an organization like the BHG. They are merely civilians who lean towards neutrality. They are not required to hold any loyalty to one another. They are not one people.
If that is so please educate me some more: how are they different from freelancers or even mercenaries and why do they have their own ID? Or, to spin it around, why do we need freelancer and mercenary ID's when they could all be Zoners? If they are just "merely civilians" how do they fly destroyers and carriers and juggies? Also, placing a bounty on another Zoner kinda takes them away from their purpose of "lean towards neutrality", right? If the Omnicroners think they are "not one people" with the rest of the zoners they are free to get some freelancer ID's, like I said earlier
' Wrote:Corsairs kill Corsairs Vito. Stop being a hypocrite.
Seriously, why was this bounty closed?
Yes, but from there to place a bounty on another corsair it's a long way. The Council would cancel it and decide who is right and who is wrong
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