Quote:5.9 Disconnecting from the server in a PvP fight to escape, as well as in any other situation that involves player interaction, is not allowed. If you lose server connection during a player interaction, you should get back in game quickly to continue the interaction, with the other player's permission. If that is not possible, then post on the forums and PM the players involved.
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All I can recall is I was in TAU23 Mining Nubium Ore and have almost a full load.
I F1'ed and rarely dialog with any person therefore I deemed no infringement of the rules. In otherwords I did what most miners do and feel that nothing I did was wrong but if something had been said then I would have never F1'ed (that would have been rule breaking...i did not break the rules, yes someone was at 14k but thats out of sensor range i.e. 9.9k is sensor range). So at what point is the F1 rule broken at 14k (max range with no dialog)?If the answer isNever use F1 (then this is an unacceptable reply) then you know this is a totally un-enforacble rule and so will always be flaunted it untill you remove the facility (sanctions won't stop it happening). So many do it with no problems and many never get sanctioned (yes some do but they started a dialog then F1'ed..I did not! ).... I say this because the traders mining do it all the time around me and thats a FACT!!
//I suggest that in the new mod F1'ing while in space should be disabled permanently but can only be used at a base while docked... then all the silly crappy F1 rules can be removed as their are far too many rules as their is....
So my cash and guns were confiscated....you work hard and either Outcasts or Admin take away your hardwork....no wonder i'll never ever get a chance to buy a battleship. I know its pointless appealing for any judgement to be overturned since they never are....so i'll have to all start over again from scratch. The rich get richer and poorer get poorer, guess that supposed to be RP where outcast rule with fear and why i'm best off being the loner I am.
Appology - To the [convoy] group then maybe i'm not suited to remain with you lot and should become an independant again.... Sorry to [Convoy] and its no reflaction on them as they are a good honourbale lot.
Why? - I guess i'm a black sheep who dosen't like being ripped off by Outcasts and Pirates. I would rather fight and die than pay tax then be killed also for my cargo which has happened in the past (thats why I refuse to pay tax anymore).
Case Closed!!
Regards
Ravenolle (Wild_Horse)
WHS LTD. (Wild Horse Services)
W.Commander Ravenolle De Rameriez
Merchant Navy Capital Ship Leader(Armour/Supplies/Shipping Co.)
Commander (1st Class) Avalon De Rameriez
Merchant Navy Supply Director(Armour/Supplies/Shipping Co.)
You have been sanctioned for a fault you made. Please take it like a grown-up.
From the screenshots we saw, you did F1 at a very low distance. This can't be argued against.
Also calling it a conspiracy won't help you at all.
You broke a rule, you got sanctioned.
I'm sorry you're taking it like that.
-- |Convoy| Escorts Preston/Evans/Ardent.
Excuse me? Besides fling an insult which is not necessary and from a convoy player too- I don't like your tone boy, I'm old enough to be your father...
I in fact made a valid and accurate statement so many feel and have said over the years,
I have not denied I F1'ed (I accept that but I totally dispute the comment that it was at very low distance) Why? OK a person has a snap of me F1ing and you see me at a very low distance. What people seem to forget it takes 1 minute to disconnect so 1 min later the 14k could have been closed to say 200 meters then a snap shot is taken and "Oh look he broke the rules, I snapped him F1'ing at close range" is heard.
As a result you see the end result not the actual timing events before the ship disappears. Granted a time of the incident was taken but if the authorities check the time of the F1 to the time of the snapshot then I bet you any money theirs a time gap of no greater than a minute but ask yourself "how long does it take to chase down 14k to nothing then to make the claim the F1 rule was broken distorting the results?"
As to the so-called conspiracy mentioned, everybody knows what I said is true but many are afraid to speak up so not to fear the wrath of others. Miners are always ill equipped to defend themselves and always die even with support and protection (I've been on both sides here defender and attacked). I've paid tax and then been killed too many times after payment to count and speak from bitter experience and I've seen others bite he dust as well the same way. Just because some people don't make a song and dance over it and don't report it because it an utter waste of time, some other people think it does not happen at alls well shock, horror folks the reality if somewhat different to those that think Outcasts and Pirates always play by the rules..... Granted some are honourable, some are OK, but their are a few (and only a few) who don't believe in fair play then insult you with a smug grin as a result afterwards saying "its life man, life is never fair so deal with it"..... Some people need to open their eyes to the real life out there....
WHS LTD. (Wild Horse Services)
W.Commander Ravenolle De Rameriez
Merchant Navy Capital Ship Leader(Armour/Supplies/Shipping Co.)
Commander (1st Class) Avalon De Rameriez
Merchant Navy Supply Director(Armour/Supplies/Shipping Co.)
I am the one who reported you and the message about the "cloaking" device is still on the lower left side of the screenshot and these messages stay there only for a couple of seconds. So you did not F1 a minute before I approached, maybe just slightly over the magic 9.9k. But I was definitely in range and a red contact as a Lawful in Tau 23 means Outcast pirate. So you knew what was coming and pressed the panic button.
' Wrote:I am the one who reported you and the message about the "cloaking" device is still on the lower left side of the screenshot and these messages stay there only for a couple of seconds. So you did not F1 a minute before I approached, maybe just slightly over the magic 9.9k. But I was definitely in range and a red contact as a Lawful in Tau 23 means Outcast pirate. So you knew what was coming and pressed the panic button.
I saw a person (White Neutral Status to me) at 14k and F1'ed, no dialog exchanged, what happened after I don't know...screen froze solid. What ever you say can't be confirmed so what evidence you have is unknown to me as I never saw it, neither do I care to see it now!!.
No-one is interested in what I have to say so I have been ordered to close the thread...Issue closed!!
WHS LTD. (Wild Horse Services)
W.Commander Ravenolle De Rameriez
Merchant Navy Capital Ship Leader(Armour/Supplies/Shipping Co.)
Commander (1st Class) Avalon De Rameriez
Merchant Navy Supply Director(Armour/Supplies/Shipping Co.)
I am sorry for interupting a threat I am not involved but I decided I am going to say what I think dispite I can me santioned for it aswell. I will leave this for admins consideration.
Now to the point:
5.9 Disconnecting from the server in a PvP fight to escape, as well as in any other situation that involves player interaction, is not allowed. If you lose server connection during a player interaction, you should get back in game quickly to continue the interaction, with the other player's permission. If that is not possible, then post on the forums and PM the players involved.
so as far as I can understand it - IF he disconnected from the server BEFORE the interaction between the pirate and the miner/trader has began than I see no point in the whole sanction. Other thing is that is just not fair to F1 if you see someone comming - it is just wrong watching it from the RP site so explenation that "I did disconnect but there was no interaction" is just wrong when you watch it by RP behaviour. On the other hand if we are trying here - on disco server - to play by the rules and rules are mostly above the RP so in this aprticular situation it is just a pirate bad that he didn't makro any msg and the player used the panic button with a great timing...I had such situations many times and I just got used to it. I think that admins should reconsider this sanction cause it is in my opinion wrong. If you want to fine me for posting in sanction threat which I am not involved - feel free to do so I am aware that I did it wrong but I just had to say what I think of it.
To sum up - no interaction - no problem - is closing to the player an interaction? if so - make apropiate explenation of the rules cause if you ask me - this is not an interaction as long as they cannot see what is comming and they didn't even say "hello" ;]
WILDHORSE - do not F1 - it is just lame...sorry that you are being robbed by pirates but it is just the way it goes in here
By what you've said and claimed, I have my doubts about your honesty. Please do not be offended, seen too many pull the same card. This is a RP server and the rules allow ANYONE to report you for F1ing if they want (Allies, neutral, enemies, terrorist, pirates, etc).
@Gargamel: If we were not to sanction people for F1ing before interactions can you imagine what traders and miners would do every time they see someone unknown pop on scanners? Read the spirit of the rule, not its loopholes.
On a side note, please do not post again if you're not involved. The directives are quite strict on the matter.
Bottom line, it is all a question of common sense. Sorry if you feel like you've been persecuted but this sanction will NOT be reversed. The amount of money and goods lost is far bellow what we normally take anyway.