The GRN/ GRP are lawful in Gallia. Yet the GRN wants to pwn sirians. The Council wants to pwn the GRN/ GRP.
Where do mercs and BHG stand in this? Can they assist the Council lawfully? or are attacks on the GRN considered 'unlawful' even though the GRN is quite the bunch of meanies?
in short: are the GRN considered 'lawful' or 'unlawful' by Sirians and and is attacking them classified as 'unlawful'?
' Wrote:The GRN/ GRP are lawful in Gallia. Yet the GRN wants to pwn sirians. The Council wants to pwn the GRN/ GRP.
Where do mercs and BHG stand in this? Can they assist the Council lawfully? or are attacks on the GRN considered 'unlawful' even though the GRN is quite the bunch of meanies?
in short: are the GRN considered 'lawful' or 'unlawful' by Sirians and and is attacking them classified as 'unlawful'?
The GRN and the GRP are hostile to every Sirian faction except Junkers afaik.
They are considered Lawful but hostile, just like the Kursari to Bretonia.
As Gallic Lawfuls tend to shoot every sirian ship on sight, sirian ships may/should do the same
Considering the GRP has been pirating Sirians - Not exactly considered a lawful force out in the Taus. But in this case it's a point of view.
Sirians see the Gauls as unlawful.
Gallians see the Sirians as unlawful.
Depends where your merc is from really.
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on tau45, xenos are lawful
in gamma, corsairs are lawful
in alpha, outcasts are lawful
in chugoku, dragons are lawful
in iota, nomads are lawful
common sense, folks.
besides
' Wrote:5.2 All attacks must be the result of some form of role play. "Engaging" is not sufficient. An attack is any hostile action that drains shields to less than 50%. Being hit with a CD is not considered an attack. If a player is attacked he has a right to defend himself regardless of who is attacking.
GRN is engagubing sirius. you have the right to defend yourselves. that ism i doubt your bhg character is from burgundy.
Athenian and I had this chat a long time ago, back when the Kusari / Bretonia war first actually started.
It was decided originally at that time that it was acceptable for the S/D that we COULD take bounties - if we were going to end up picking a side in the conflict. We could not just indiscriminately one day collect Bretonian bounties against Kusari ships and then the next day collect Kusari bounties against Bretonian ships. For a VERY brief period, we did assist the BAF against Kusari aggression, and we DID blow up a few Kusari transports in Bretonia to collect the bounty upon them.
It was then decided that since we do have a presence in Kusari and we DO work, albeit begrudgingly, with the KSP, and that we would not get involved in any house military conflict in Sirius. Thus, while it was acceptable under the rules of the server AND within role-play if we did take a bounty - we decided to NOT take any Sirius house military bounties against any other Sirius house military.
Thus, in the Kusari / Bretonian conflict and the Liberty / Rhienland conflict, we're just helping out the police in all four houses control their criminal element - since the police are also presumed to maybe at times be busy with an enemy military raid.
Gallia is a different story.
Twice on the forums we have approached the Gallic Police and Gallic Navy in an effort to see if we can work with them, to help them with their criminal element - since that is what we do best, after all. Both times we've (effectively) been told to piss off, they're not interested in our help, we're Sirians, and they don't like us. Also in an in game RP session, we had communications with both Council pilots and GRN pilots. We've again were told by the GRN to get back to Sirius, that the Gallics were quite capable of handling their problems, and that we were, after all, the cause of their nearly being destroyed in the past - so they don't like us and would just as soon see us dead.
Therefore - and that's why I asked about Dublin and getting an exception for cap ships - at this time the official position of the BHG| and BHG|Core is that if ANY lawful Sirius house organization puts up a bounty on invading Gallic forces, we'll be more than happy to collect it. This means that if the BAF or KNF puts up a bounty on the GRN that is valid in Sirius space, we'll be glad to collect. If Gateway puts up a bounty on the GRN because they're killing their shipping, we'll be glad to collect. If the Outcasts put up a bounty on the GRN - no, we won't try to collect that one, they're not lawful. We'll discuss the situation if the CR puts up a bounty - we don't like them, they don't like us - but... technically they're lawful.
This discussion has come up several times in the past, and it's always been decided that it's acceptable to take lawful bounties against another lawful house - because where the bounty is paid, one of the houses is acting in an unlawful manner against the other. (And no, I do NOT want this to devolve into a long discussion regarding the laws of war - we've already HAD that discussion many, many times - most recently about 4 months ago.)
' Wrote:BHG depend on police bases in house space..... and freeports in the edgeworlds... unless they get more allies. - this is not a one sided dependency though.... bhg ( in vanilla ) provide mutual protection for the bases they are staged on ( meaning freeports ).
all in all - gallia perverts many of the sirius ideals. - unlawfuls fighting the lawfuls in gallia are indeed those that welcome lawfuls in sirius the most. - while the lawfuls in gallia are the villains in sirius. ( even up to another quality than kusari / bretonia - or liberty / rheinland )
the bhg - the hunters - should easily be able to take contracts by the gallic unlawfuls....
why? - the whole "rule" is based on a character guideline.
BHG take lawful contracts - cause they decided to be a lawful force. - lawful by sirius standards, mind. - and that is the point. - lawful does not equal lawful.... a policeman may be sworn to keep up the law in his country - and in his country that means ... he protects the innocent and hunts down those that wish to hurt the innocent.
however - in another country the law might say "you must hunt down the innocent and praise the villains" - the same policeman would not hold up that law, cause it goes against all he considers "lawful".
lawful - is an ideal rather than the letter of the law in that case. - a house of lawfuls whos only purpose is to invade and kill is not lawful by the BHG standards. so allying with the unlawfuls ( unlawful from the pov of the lawfuls in that house ) is an option... but ONLY if the methods of those unlawfuls match the ideal of a lawful by sirius standards.
the core again is a military section. - they may have their own agenda and motives. - but they do also depend heavily on what bases they can use. - currently they have one single base in delta - which is about as far from gallia as it can get. the core however is more suited to fight for a higher ideal - and for their own good of course, then the common BHG, - simply cause they can make a greater impact.
(excess things snipped - you can read the whole thread HERE - Agmen)
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
And I think the BHG should just ignore Gallia until the GRN move out into Sirius, and perhaps could require the BHG to work in Gallia, as long as the BHG don't do anything stupid like go to Gallia and attack the GRN.
And then the GRN can hunt Brigands, Maquis, Union Corse (hostile to the crown ones) and smugglers.
I suppose it's up to them whether or not to get involved in the war and fight the Council, or refuse to get involved and never attack them.