Alright, so here's a question... does a Police tagged/IDed or Navy Tagged/IDed character have the authority to stop ships/demand they drop contraband?
Reason is, I have an independent Navy Cruiser, which I've been using to guard Zone 21 lately, and a few people claim I have no right to be stopping anyone. They say only LSF or SA can "police".
Its not like I use the policing thing to fight or anything, most times if they cooperate and drop the cargo, I let them go on their way (if in zone 21, I send them back the way they came) The only time I've destroyed someone is when they attack, or try to run with contraband...
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It also depends, as some factions have different rules. The LSF/SA allow independents to scan and in force rules. Rheinland? Not a chance. Any RM Tagged/IDed character go under defensive contacts. Meaning they can shoot as many pirates as they like and we won't care, but they can't scan for cargo or give orders.
See the thing is, maybe we need all independents who want to be able to have some sort of authority to register under an independents' list on the forum.
I'm bringing this up again simply because it can cause problems. For instance, many of these independents do not know what they are doing.
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' Wrote:It also depends, as some factions have different rules. The LSF/SA allow independents to scan and in force rules. Rheinland? Not a chance. Any RM Tagged/IDed character go under defensive contacts. Meaning they can shoot as many pirates as they like and we won't care, but they can't scan for cargo or give orders.
Ok, but what about when there are no [RM] around. Is Rheinland simply a lawless place where independents just PvP when [RM] aren't around. Doesn't seem right to me, especially since [RM] activity has been low as of late.
Monk is right. When the lawfuls are not around, there is nothing to stop people from "violating" faction rules regarding independents.
This is why I think that it probably should be a server rule for Independents to register on the forums if they want any authority at all. Otherwise, you can have a bunch of independents running around, charging people random fines for crimes that they made up themselves.
Justing bringing up the example I brought up before. This LPI independent in NY tried to fine someone 500,000 Credits for the supposed crime of "Loitering" outside Planet Manhattan. There were no SA around, and his victim simply told him that he had no authority whatsoever.
Before your post, mb52, I was always in agreement with the fact that independents really do not need to be obeyed.
But then again, as Caylith so aptly put it once, we should not turn this modification into "Factionlancer." Independents should exist and be allowed to do their own thing, but there must be a way to regulate their actions.
Quote:[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<
Quote:Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?
' Wrote:Monk is right. When the lawfuls are not around, there is nothing to stop people from "violating" faction rules regarding independents.
This is why I think that it probably should be a server rule for Independents to register on the forums if they want any authority at all. Otherwise, you can have a bunch of independents running around, charging people random fines for crimes that they made up themselves.
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ok register,but for example i fly as smuggler and independant police pilot stop me and he will something.(fine,droping cargo,leaving system etc.... ) so how i know if he is registered or no? or i need to switch to the forums and find him? In the time i am destroyed...
But on the other side is not right when independant players have no right to policy, because not all will be in faction and folow the goals of the faction.
The way I see it, and what has been working for me in Rheinland, is independents functioning as helpers to the established factions. Meaning, they go under your directives and do their best to cooperate and operate under instructions. If not, at least try and help without getting in the way. And it only makes sense. Having multiple interpretations of the law, or worse yet, laws, can't work and in time a lawful place would turn into chaos.
So, I say independents should respect the boundaries established by the factions doing their best not to step over it and not to hurt their structures nor authorities. On the other hand, the factions should try and aggregate the independents into a more loose structure inside it's procedures. Try to find a role for them inside while they are around is a good idea, and at least in my personal experience, it works fine in the majority of times. Shunning them aside is asking for trouble. Since I believe that once they're properly IDed and tagged, they are entitled the right to fulfill the role they've chosen.
But then again we circle around back to the beginning. Since independents are avoiding or aren't interested in joining a established structure, they should at least respect the role that structure serves. Creating a lawful character in a battleship and expect that a faction member will follow your orders just because you happen to be sit in a big ship is just stressing too much and can't work.
The best role for an independent player, the way I see it, is playing someone from a different unit who has been assigned temporarily to a different one. Meaning, you are the outsider, behave like that. If you really feel the need to enter the chain of command, join the faction.
As for how to behave when the faction players are not around. I'd say that the independents are entitled to behave the way their roles demand them to, but I'd also say, bear in mind and act consistently with the general role established by the local faction, going back to not overstepping the boundaries of roleplay already set by the factions and not hurting their collective roleplay. Otherwise, at least in Rheinland, DBoy will show you the stick (since the gloves are all battered and all).
For example, we RM are mean sons of *******. I would hate to see one of our cruisers offering cookie recipes to smugglers. Believe me, it almost happened, but this another story and I'll tell it in Hood's thread. If I see something a generic RM character doing something of the sort I'll personally back slap him all the way from wherever he is back to academy, and I'm sure I'll have the Vice-Admiral's backing in that.
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Quote:This is why I think that it probably should be a server rule for Independents to register on the forums if they want any authority at all. Otherwise, you can have a bunch of independents running around, charging people random fines for crimes that they made up themselves.
Quote:ok register,but for example i fly as smuggler and independant police pilot stop me and he will something.(fine,droping cargo,leaving system etc.... ) so how i know if he is registered or no? or i need to switch to the forums and find him? In the time i am destroyed...
This is something I've been thinking for sometime now. I believe all region specific rules should be more visible inside the forums. That would give independents a more consistent basis for their RPs. As for encounters between lawfuls and unlawfuls, I don't think any player has got the right to question, in game, the authority of a properly tagged and IDed lawful player. If you enter Liberty as a smuggler and are stopped by a tagged and IDed LSF, LN or LPI, that's all you need to know. Act accordingly, shoot, stop, drop your cargo, do whatever you'd do if it was one faction aligned player.
Quote:ok register,but for example i fly as smuggler and independant police pilot stop me and he will something.(fine,droping cargo,leaving system etc.... ) so how i know if he is registered or no? or i need to switch to the forums and find him? In the time i am destroyed...
We can probably get them an ID or something.
Quote:[7:42:05 PM][6:51:36 PM] Igor (Smokey): btw terry
[6:51:48 PM] Terrance Cooper: Ye?
[6:52:00 PM] Igor (Smokey): nothin
[6:52:03 PM] Igor (Smokey): just sayin btw
[6:52:05 PM] Terrance Cooper: <_<
Quote:Johnny_Haas: you shot anti criuse speed rockets!!!
Johnny_Haas: but why????
Johnny_Haas: ??
Johnny_Haas: why you shoot criuse speed rockets?