First of all please do not read this post as crying because I got killed in PVP. If you knew me and my gaming past and habits you would understand I'm not one to get shook up over a Pkill. Fired up. Yes. Angry IRL and throwing my keyboard and swearing like that German kid in that Unreal Tournament video..No. Never. I don't even care if these people are punished by admin. I'm not gunna run and cry with screenshots everytime someone drops a bomb on my spaceship. Its a game full of conflict. Stuff happens.
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I've read in detail all the rules and all the faction based stuff recently. I've been playing this game for a little over a week now and I'm having a pretty good time. Aside from the 4 PVP deaths I've been dealt for reasons that I find out now don't even make sense, I have a serious question. I want to know if someone firing on you/killing you for whatever reason becomes a legitamate reason in the future to hunt them all over the galaxy for pure fun as long as it all follows the rules set. No I do not want to play some Xeno terrorist who drives around pewpewing at anything that comes up red on the radar. I'm a lot more Chess and a lot less Checkers, but if someone wants declare an enemy state on me then thats pretty much what they become. Aside from all this ID tag and faction stuff, I think its a highly resonable request to allow thier ashes be spread all over space repeatedly because they had no respect for someones standing in general when they chose to not even TRY to follow some sort of logical path.
This is not one instance either. This is 5 people over the course of just one week playing. I take strong note of those I'm killed by in games especially when I'm new to them and don't know the ropes. I have thier ship information, player name, id tag, etc on a nice notepad beside me. I actually read through of it and I find out the other night that one of those deaths was actually justifiable.! I just need conformation that I'm not breaking some sort of ruleset by making thier lives hell when I'm actually qualified and skilled enough to do so and if this situation goes beyond that of ID and ship choice. Its gunna make my time playing here a lot more fun with goal and purpose of bringing demise to those who wish to ruin everyone elses great time.
since i am a firm believer of no-kos-lists, i would say, "no" its not a reason to hunt someone down throughout the whole galaxy. - being killed would be a legitimate reason to hire bounty hunters though - who then can hunt the wrongdoer.
"revenge" as a sole reason doesn t work to actually kos someone. - in the end, your char is supposed to be dead, - dead people are not driven by feelings of revenge. you should allways act according to your role, - and if you died, - it would be appropriate if you acted as if it was the first encounter with that person. ( unless you RP that your escape pod saves you every time )
anyway - rules like asking for tax ( as a pirate ) or general faction rules must allways apply. - so its not a free for all, even if you have been attacked before.
' Wrote:since i am a firm believer of no-kos-lists, i would say, "no" its not a reason to hunt someone down throughout the whole galaxy. - being killed would be a legitimate reason to hire bounty hunters though - who then can hunt the wrongdoer.
"revenge" as a sole reason doesn t work to actually kos someone. - in the end, your char is supposed to be dead, - dead people are not driven by feelings of revenge. you should allways act according to your role, - and if you died, - it would be appropriate if you acted as if it was the first encounter with that person. ( unless you RP that your escape pod saves you every time )
anyway - rules like asking for tax ( as a pirate ) or general faction rules must allways apply. - so its not a free for all, even if you have been attacked before.
I'm gathering this situation is one of those more 'frowned upon' things as opposed to all out rule breaking, which is fine from the perspective of respecting the communities wishings, but certain scenarios are gunna be treated indifferent to other minds. For example, someone is taxed and then taxed again on the way back. This is respectable, but getting blown up, emerging with your ship and seeking out justice isnt? Those two situations to me are quite relative as they are considered a 'hostile' action. They too can choose to set bounty and pay for thier deaths, but its not recommended that a ship equiped for actual combat isnt? Some Pirates might not choose to play the incredibly cuthroat fashion but some do on a regular basis and its just simply shrugged off as the 'rules' of piracy.
As I said I'm not really looking to fly around and shooting down anything that reads on my scanner as a 'legal' target. I just didnt see anything in the hardset rules that this situation was'nt permitted, but there seems to be quite a wealth of stuff that people have formulated for various reasons. You can't expect RP to always come from concrete situations,especially when I'm telling you in my first week alone I've had a near handful of deaths due to disrespect to actual hardset rules. This is more what I'm worried about. Not something thats 'frowned upon' due to overlaying opinons on what rules should be.
Thank you Jinx for the reply though and I mean no disrepect and understand your perspective. I'll just have to see what happens though. If they fire once they will fire again and thats more than enough reason, but I just don't generally tend to cater to anyone that likes to take popshots when the tides are in thier favor but act uninterested when they arent. In fact one of these situations I actually had 4/7 gunslots horribly under equipped due to cash at the moment. Also I'm sitting here telling you that I've had a near handful of deaths in just one week and a couple days of playing from these situations. Don't expect everyone to play 'nice guy', but I will always abide by hardset rules because players tend to make stuff up as they go along and a lot of stereotypical opinons get introduced along the way. RP isnt always concrete. Rules are.
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You can't expect RP to always come from concrete situations,especially when I'm telling you in my first week alone I've had a near handful of deaths due to disrespect to actual hardset rules. This is more what I'm worried about. Not something thats 'frowned upon' due to overlaying opinons on what rules should be.
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Sorry to be the blunt instrument here, mate, but you have to consider these issues:
1. Revenge killing is sanctionable.
2. This is an RP server. If you don't have an RP reason to hunt your target, then you're in deep... water. Two wrongs don't make one right.
3. If you have a trouble with someone for something wrong they did, in disrespect to the rules, take it to the admins. Don't go vigilante on your own, this will only get you into more trouble and harm your ingame reputation towards the rest of the players. Again, two wrongs don't make one right.
4. If you do have strong feelings about someone who's wronged you and want to make them suffer, you should consider re-evaluating the impact the game is having on you. If that feeling is only mild, still, there are other means to do it. Post numerous bounties on your disafections and there are a lot of people that will gladly make them suffer for you, even if you post RP rewards (doesn't have to be too generous). A lot of Mercs/BHG will follow RP only bounties (those not involving ludicrous sums of money). I know I do.
' Wrote:Sorry to be the blunt instrument here, mate, but you have to consider these issues:
1. Revenge killing is sanctionable.
2. This is an RP server. If you don't have an RP reason to hunt your target, then you're in deep... water. Two wrongs don't make one right.
3. If you have a trouble with someone for something wrong they did, in disrespect to the rules, take it to the admins. Don't go vigilante on your own, this will only get you into more trouble and harm your ingame reputation towards the rest of the players. Again, two wrongs don't make one right.
4. If you do have strong feelings about someone who's wronged you and want to make them suffer, you should consider re-evaluating the impact the game is having on you. If that feeling is only mild, still, there are other means to do it. Post numerous bounties on your disafections and there are a lot of people that will gladly make them suffer for you, even if you post RP rewards (doesn't have to be too generous). A lot of Mercs/BHG will follow RP only bounties (those not involving ludicrous sums of money). I know I do.
In a week of playing time this pretty much jades me from interaction in general. I'm not used to streamlined roleplay and I'll be glad to abide these situations in the future with a better understanding of how they work. Its not nessicarly the Discovery mods fault, but in general it seems like this game created a lot of allies and enemies but with standards and the server is making it formal that these actions are played out. Meanwhile we are supposed to run around taking pictures of people that don't play by these rules. I'm sorry but I just want to play a game and have fun, and I'm not in the least bothered by any form of conflict. I do appreciate and enjoy the RP values and maintain some form of character outside of just blasting everything.
Although I think its quite settled that I've become more and more attracted to the Xenos and thier way of thinking, mainly because I just don't fathom how anyone or anything can consider 'revenge' killing out of the way. If it provokes, its considered lethal for eternity until there is something to balance it. If you kill a trader NPC, the Police become hostile, etc. This is faction balance in action. You are suggesting that each player is to adhere to the faction bases the game has formed and not create thier own. Thats fine even though its very much IN character at times. I'm not even gunna get into the concepts of how bounty hunters are seemingly lawful ( I can't be a "Boba Fett"?) and merc are supposed to be a paid service yet every day I've seen them helping police and military take out 'known enemies' just because they are 'bad guys' on thier rep sheet. Perhaps they are paid to do it but then 10 minutes later I see them in a Pirate system just floating about like they are supposed to be there. And tsk tsk I can't shoot him cause its not in grounds! Why would they care if theres no money in it if you wanna get technical. Nevermind it was'nt for a price.. It was just for that line thats been drawn across factions. Again, there is so much grey area I see people floating in and out of already and I've not been here long at all.
I'll make my peace and find my place in the universe as some type of character and again please understand I mean no disrespect. Just I'm trying to do the right things, but with everyone going 15 directions with things it gets confusing. This isnt quite typical fantasy lore mind you and I find it refreshing, but more often than not what feels the right thing to do, is actually breaking a rule. I'll figure it out I guess...
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Meanwhile we are supposed to run around taking pictures of people that don't play by these rules. I'm sorry but I just want to play a game and have fun, and I'm not in the least bothered by any form of conflict.
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You're not "supposed" to do anything of the sort. You can just let go of or refuse to take part of poor RP. What I'm saying is that if you really feel you've been wronged in that fashion (being attacked without any sense, as you've described) and want to do something about it, there's a way to do so and it isn't getting ooRP (as we generally describe it) too and striking back. If the original attack made no sense, chances are your striking back won't make sense either.
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You are suggesting that each player is to adhere to the faction bases the game has formed and not create thier own.
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I suggested nothing of the sort. Your original complaint was about people going about killing other people with no feel for RP or whatever. Chances are that, if there was no "sense" in their attack (from what standpoint, RP?) as you've said, there will be none in your attacking back, because that micro-story doesn't make sense from start.
' Wrote:Thats fine even though its very much IN character at times. I'm not even gunna get into the concepts of how bounty hunters are seemingly lawful ( I can't be a "Boba Fett"?) and merc are supposed to be a paid service yet every day I've seen them helping police and military take out 'known enemies' just because they are 'bad guys' on thier rep sheet. Perhaps they are paid to do it but then 10 minutes later I see them in a Pirate system just floating about like they are supposed to be there. And tsk tsk I can't shoot him cause its not in grounds! Why would they care if theres no money in it if you wanna get technical. Nevermind it was'nt for a price.. It was just for that line thats been drawn across factions.
You're going on and on describing reprovable behavior that does exist, but isn't condoned by the community. You're pointing out bad behavior and questioning why you can't be bad yourself? Sorry if I'm getting you wrong here. The thing is, there are people that play into RP. There are people that won't go about attacking people just because they happen to be "red" to them. There are BH/Mercs that will ignore a pirate if they have no gain in attacking them. As there are people that couldn't care less, as perhaps the ones that you've confronted in your previous experience. It's worse when you're starting up because unfortunately these types are more likely to be also new people to the server, so they usually revolve around the starting point, I can't really blame you to feel that the server is all about these people, but in fact it isn't and I'll say again, two wrongs don't make one right.
Now, if you happen to find a character that actually antagonizes you, please, go about getting reciprocal with him. Just be sure to respect the established rules while you're at it.
Alright am I'm sorry to sound so defensive and apologize for looking like a whiner/jerk myself. I also realize I'm being critical of others in a stereotypical manner and thats not the reflection I really intended to cast. I'm honestly just trying to clarify things before I run off the deep end. I hope people would rather these questions were asked up front even though I shaded them in a manner of frustration, which is kinda evident due to the reality that at least once a day I've met the 'wrong' person. Hopefully today will be different.
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